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madfloridian

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Mon Mar 24, 2014, 11:23 PM Mar 2014

"We Don't Need Two Wall Street Parties" Markos responds to Third Way attack at Politico. [View all]

The Third Way is at it again. On March 19th they put up an op ed at Politico accusing Markos of Daily Kos of folding up the big tent. Politico gave Markos a chance to respond today.

Here is the Third Way attack on the 19th.

Kos folds up the big tent

If Markos Moulitsas had his way there’d be no Affordable Care Act, no Dodd-Frank, no economic stimulus package. That’s the price when purity tests are applied to Democrats.

In a remarkable post yesterday, Moulitsas, founder and publisher of the progressive community site DailyKos, celebrates the departure from the Senate of 10 moderate Democrats over the last decade, and makes clear his hope that Senators Mark Pryor (D-Ark.) and Mary Landrieu (D-La.) lose their tough reelection battles this year. He doesn’t name some other moderates in tight races, like Mark Begich (D-Alaska) and Kay Hagan (D-N.C.), but his logic suggests that he’d be only too happy to say goodbye to them as well.


And once again they used the words "politics of purity".

We have all witnessed the devastating effect that the politics of purity can have, as the Republicans grapple with the toxic impact of the Tea Party on their candidates, their congressional leadership and their governing philosophy. Let’s not become them.


I hate that term. Through the years they have called us fringe, elitists and worse. They should not be accusing others of purity politics.

Here is Markos' response today.

We Don’t Need Two Wall Street Parties

It’s tough to be a “Third Way” corporatist in today’s Democratic Party. Sure, the numerically small faction of Wall Street and Beltway Democrats has long enjoyed an outsized influence on public policy, but all the hedge fund money in the world can’t change the fact that the party is in the midst of a dramatic reorientation toward a new progressive populism. And it turns out that populism is popular! Voters across the country are increasingly concerned about the pressing issues of income inequality and economic security, and elected Democrats have responded with a renewed focus on solutions for working Americans.

...Apparently, the answer is to lash out at me and others who simply want to see the Democratic Party work for Democratic values. Third Way’s Matt Bennett and Jim Kessler took to this site last week to charge me with the apparent sin of celebrating the party’s current Senate majority, one that is finally starting to function thanks to the absence of corrosive elements like Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman, who tied the Democratic caucus in knots just 10 years ago.

....Still, let’s look at the question of whether our populist approach is compromising the party’s ability to win across the country. Bennett and Kessler lament that seven of the 10 right-wing Democrats that I celebrated for no longer being in the Senate were replaced by Republicans—but what was then a Democratic two-seat minority is now a Democratic 10-seat majority. If you’re genuinely a Democrat, you have to admit that a 55-seat caucus reinforced with strong progressive voices is objectively preferable to a 49-seat caucus packed with corporatist Democrats who voted for the disastrous Iraq war and George W. Bush’s budget-busting tax cuts. If you’re genuinely a Democrat.

.....Indeed, it was September 2012, just months before election day, when Third Way’s Bennett claimed that Elizabeth Warren was “catastrophically antibusiness” and that her economic populism was “not a winning strategy.” It would make sense for Third Way to prefer Sen. Scott Brown over Warren, given that 27 of the organization’s 29 board members are current or former CEOs, corporate lawyers or principals at financial service institutions.But you don’t get to whine about big tents after undermining Democratic candidates in the heat of an election.



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thanks for this. k and r bbgrunt Mar 2014 #1
I like what else he said in the subject of the post. madfloridian Mar 2014 #2
When you have two political parties sulphurdunn Mar 2014 #65
HUMONGOUS K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #3
k&r. nt antigop Mar 2014 #4
So, if they disagree with you they're Third Way? jazzimov Mar 2014 #5
Perfect example. madfloridian Mar 2014 #7
And that's not what the OP or Markos said or even inferred rpannier Mar 2014 #20
Are you suggesting that those who call themselves Third Way are actually lying and are not really Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #21
Not necessarily, most who disagree with economic populism and favor the financial elite Dragonfli Mar 2014 #34
Do you have any idea what's going on? nt ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2014 #56
You are the perfect example. Rex Mar 2014 #58
Well maybe you should have read the post... Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #59
no, they're third way because they fucking belong to Third Way.. frylock Mar 2014 #62
"Two Wall Street Parties" Succinct bobduca Mar 2014 #6
Good choice of title. madfloridian Mar 2014 #37
3rd way = republican nt msongs Mar 2014 #8
^ that right there +1000 SwankyXomb Mar 2014 #12
+1 leftstreet Mar 2014 #82
"We don't need two Wall Street parties..." zeemike Mar 2014 #9
Yep, it pays very well. madfloridian Mar 2014 #48
especially if there is a return from both parties on your Supersedeas Mar 2014 #101
That's gonna leave a mark. Lasher Mar 2014 #10
It isn't about throwing people out of the tent. Is it about the tent having a purpose. BlueStreak Mar 2014 #11
Very thoughtful post. madfloridian Mar 2014 #16
I'm all for this excellent list of Democrat principles posted by BlueStreak.n/t Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #45
Agreed 100% truebrit71 Mar 2014 #74
Excellent! JDPriestly Mar 2014 #75
Wonderful work on your part. truedelphi Mar 2014 #80
Nice post, I would also tell the 3rd way people that our tent is for 99% of the people, A Simple Game Mar 2014 #84
Gee, that sounds familiar Mnpaul Mar 2014 #90
With respect, a 32-page white paper is not the same as a list of core principles BlueStreak Mar 2014 #91
Beautiful post. woo me with science Mar 2014 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Mar 2014 #95
well stated Jake2413 Mar 2014 #13
K&R... elzenmahn Mar 2014 #14
k&r thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #15
An excellent finish UP the Third Way! fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #17
fabulous!! for far too long - a tiny fringe has been representing mainstream Democrats as the fringe Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #18
I agree. madfloridian Mar 2014 #31
Of all people to attack, Third Way goes after the one with the most integrity. QuestForSense Mar 2014 #19
''If you’re genuinely a Democrat.'' DeSwiss Mar 2014 #22
Markos doesn't sound as republican as some suggested on DU just days ago. Hmmm. adirondacker Mar 2014 #23
He's not at all. madfloridian Mar 2014 #27
We don't need it awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #24
Refreshing and hopeful Oilwellian Mar 2014 #25
Yes, he does. madfloridian Mar 2014 #35
From Page 2 of his response....wow! madfloridian Mar 2014 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author mvd Mar 2014 #28
This 3rd way shit has got to go, even more destructive to workers/families than DLC... pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #29
K&R mvd Mar 2014 #30
We need to remember what happens.... madfloridian Mar 2014 #32
Yep, I agree mvd Mar 2014 #33
I don't really accept that argument BlueStreak Mar 2014 #36
"Most of them have never had the opportunity to vote for a real Democrat in their entire lives" madfloridian Mar 2014 #39
It is a meessaging problem and it is a CANDIDATE problem BlueStreak Mar 2014 #47
Kos' guiding directive has always been: Maedhros Mar 2014 #72
Think conservative talk radio. How do we get effective progressive voices into the mix? JDPriestly Mar 2014 #76
The reason right-wing talk radio is effective is because the Republican's target demographic Maedhros Mar 2014 #89
Good post mvd Mar 2014 #63
It may have an IMMEDIATE effect. We really should try. BlueStreak Mar 2014 #73
Sadly I agree with you mvd Mar 2014 #86
K&R nt FloriTexan Mar 2014 #38
When I was a kid, Third Way types were called 'Reagan Democrats' because Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #40
Kos is being ProSense Mar 2014 #41
You pick the most liberal Democrat who can win theboss Mar 2014 #50
It's not "hard" ProSense Mar 2014 #71
Ha. In his response at DKos to Third Way he puts a pic of Elizabeth Warren and himself. madfloridian Mar 2014 #42
BIG K & R L0oniX Mar 2014 #43
K&R! G_j Mar 2014 #44
K&R While Markos can be a bit of a putz sometimes. This discussion nails proverbial head (aches). laserhaas Mar 2014 #46
K&R me b zola Mar 2014 #49
K&R Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #51
"folding up the big tent" Kermitt Gribble Mar 2014 #52
Yup. FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #68
du rec. xchrom Mar 2014 #53
Come on, people! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #54
DURec.....and a KMA to the Corporatist Republicans masquerading as 3rd Way. bvar22 Mar 2014 #55
Long live the memory of Paul Wellstone... ReRe Mar 2014 #98
K&R Tippy Mar 2014 #57
One small correction nxylas Mar 2014 #60
..... madfloridian Mar 2014 #64
Ka-Pow! blackspade Mar 2014 #61
Were I grading sulphurdunn Mar 2014 #66
BIG K&R swilton Mar 2014 #67
So nice to finally hear this. Phlem Mar 2014 #69
What does this remind me of? Oh yeah: Revanchist Mar 2014 #70
It should be.. dotymed Mar 2014 #77
Better yet "No fifth columnists need apply" bobduca Mar 2014 #97
We won't HAVE two Wall Street parties. If the (D) continue to pander to Wall St, it will disappear Doctor_J Mar 2014 #78
K & R dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #79
K & R. Facebook cartoon about the broken political system: truedelphi Mar 2014 #81
DURec leftstreet Mar 2014 #83
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #85
Thanks for this great post madfloridian.. 2banon Mar 2014 #87
Right on! Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #88
"The fact that the party is in the midst of a dramatic reorientation... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #92
Way to go, Markos! psiman Mar 2014 #93
Huge, huge, K&R. How refreshing, and what a hopeful sign, woo me with science Mar 2014 #96
K&R ReRe Mar 2014 #99
knr Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #100
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