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In reply to the discussion: 'Obama's new NSA proposal and Democratic partisan hackery,' by Glenn Greenwald [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)50. Carter: Snowden's leaks 'good for Americans to know'
Carter: Snowden's leaks 'good for Americans to know'
Susan Page
NEW YORK -- Former president Jimmy Carter defended the disclosures by fugitive NSA contractor Edward Snowden on Monday, saying revelations that U.S. intelligence agencies were collecting meta-data of Americans' phone calls and e-mails have been "probably constructive in the long run."
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Does he view Snowden, now granted asylum in Russia, as a hero or a traitor?
"There's no doubt that he broke the law and that he would be susceptible, in my opinion, to prosecution if he came back here under the law," he said. "But I think it's good for Americans to know the kinds of things that have been revealed by him and others -- and that is that since 9/11 we've gone too far in intrusion on the privacy that Americans ought to enjoy as a right of citizenship."
Carter cautioned that he didn't have information about whether some of the disclosures "may have hurt our security or individuals that work in security," adding, "If I knew that, then I may feel differently." And he said Snowden shouldn't be immune from prosecution for his actions.
"I think it's inevitable that he should be prosecuted and I think he would be prosecuted" if he returned to the United States, the former president said. "But I don't think he ought to be executed as a traitor or any kind of extreme punishment like that."
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/03/24/usa-today-capital-download-jimmy-carter-edward-snowden-probably-constructive/6822425/
Susan Page
NEW YORK -- Former president Jimmy Carter defended the disclosures by fugitive NSA contractor Edward Snowden on Monday, saying revelations that U.S. intelligence agencies were collecting meta-data of Americans' phone calls and e-mails have been "probably constructive in the long run."
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Does he view Snowden, now granted asylum in Russia, as a hero or a traitor?
"There's no doubt that he broke the law and that he would be susceptible, in my opinion, to prosecution if he came back here under the law," he said. "But I think it's good for Americans to know the kinds of things that have been revealed by him and others -- and that is that since 9/11 we've gone too far in intrusion on the privacy that Americans ought to enjoy as a right of citizenship."
Carter cautioned that he didn't have information about whether some of the disclosures "may have hurt our security or individuals that work in security," adding, "If I knew that, then I may feel differently." And he said Snowden shouldn't be immune from prosecution for his actions.
"I think it's inevitable that he should be prosecuted and I think he would be prosecuted" if he returned to the United States, the former president said. "But I don't think he ought to be executed as a traitor or any kind of extreme punishment like that."
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/03/24/usa-today-capital-download-jimmy-carter-edward-snowden-probably-constructive/6822425/
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'Obama's new NSA proposal and Democratic partisan hackery,' by Glenn Greenwald [View all]
Newsjock
Mar 2014
OP
We haven't seen the coverage on MSNBC yet (if at all) and BOGers are busy attacking Greenwald
NOVA_Dem
Mar 2014
#33
We haven't seen the Democratic reaction, either, and Greenwald is telling us their reactions!
randome
Mar 2014
#38
Unless you know that local police serve warrants to every telecom in the USA you have no information
NOVA_Dem
Mar 2014
#40
So what do you think about Obama's decision to end the meta data program altogether?
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#21
If the shoe fits, wear it! The very individuals who attack Greenwald's blog piece are the ones
JDPriestly
Mar 2014
#67
this article is about people like you, so it's understandable why you'd be so defensive
frylock
Mar 2014
#78
I'm guessing the news that PBO is pushing NSA reforms that are exactly what GG wanted will be news.
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#10
You've got to read the whole article...it's the funniest thing GG's ever written. nt
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#8
Snowden isn't getting immunity...but may get a federal plea, after he talks. You know...the federal
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#65
I can't make it out. He spends the first (feels like) 20 paragraphs going on about another issue
Number23
Mar 2014
#88
Because it is an acknowledgement of what WE have been saying all along. That these invasions
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#61
Precisely...Glenn's pissed because PBO is doing exactly what Glenn called for him to do!
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#6
as we have seen for several years, "talk" of reform is not evidence of actual reform.
2banon
Mar 2014
#16
President Obama cannot override Section 215, nor the FISA legislation with a stroke of a pen.
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#63
On the contrary, Glenn appears to be thrilled that the president is now in agreement with him.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#85
3/25 was the original date...it's now pushed to 5/13. Why? Rumor has it that it needed rewrites
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#95
i see it more as pitting "Democrats" against traditional democratic principles..
frylock
Mar 2014
#80
So Glenn is throwing a tantrum because Obama's proposed reform does exactly what Glenn wanted?
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#5
I'm thrilled with the President's decision, and support it fully. How about you?
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#27
It's hard to know. Several people in the thread have not addressed the President's decision.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#37
NO because then they cannot use it as a wedge issue to "Divide and Conquer" the Democrats...
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#35
So, do you support meta data collection, airc you did defend it, or do you support the President's
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#39
There is no nuance to this. Either our constitutional rights mean something or they don't.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#64
I applaud President Obama's efforts to curtail the NSA, and urge him to take even stronger measures.
Maedhros
Mar 2014
#43
What's outrageous is your decision to relay your inability to properly process that sentence into
Number23
Mar 2014
#107
"Frankly, the only people whose moral assessments of Obama resemble Greenwald's are the Taliban and
Cha
Mar 2014
#113
Oh, you asked earlier. He's got no links, then. Love a fact-based conversation, lol. n/t
Skip Intro
Mar 2014
#99
MORE PROOF it was about Obama and NOT... NOT the 4th freakin amendment!!! Obama is a smart cookie
uponit7771
Mar 2014
#60
Exactly. And Greenwald hasn't done anything but prove his (many) detractors correct
Number23
Mar 2014
#102
Greenwald is one of those loons who thinks just because something is wrong under a Republican
Douglas Carpenter
Mar 2014
#103