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Gothmog

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78. NDT is not ignoring Creationism
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 03:59 PM
Mar 2014

Tyson is not ignoring creationism, he is taking the basic precepts apart and apply science to these concepts http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2014/03/25/3418425/creationism-is-getting-a-lot-of-time-on-cosmos/

Actually, Tyson is deliberately and straightforwardly giving a whole lot of time to creationism. Why did we have to sit through the history of the eyeball? Creationists love to argue that the complexity of the eyeball disproves evolution. Note how he talked specifically about how the eyeball isn’t actually this perfect mechanism, but something that works well enough for what we need it for, but not as well as it does in fish — the whole idea that the eyeball is a perfect, too-complex thing is a creationist argument.

Another example: Why did Tyson spend so much time explaining the similarities and differences in how polar bears have evolved through natural selection vs. how dogs have changed in the time we’ve been breeding them for certain traits? Because creationists acknowledge that changes within species happen. They just like to pretend like one kind of organism couldn’t really have brought forth another kind of organism.

Tyson isn’t ignoring creationism. Creationists wish Tyson were ignoring creationism. Tyson is instead standing on creationism’s home turf and playing by their rules. (Every episode we’ve seen so far has contrasted the Church’s approach to these issues with science’s approach. I’ve read some complaints that Cosmos is too much in love with that old story where everything happens in Europe until white people arrive in the Americas and then some stuff gets to happen here too. But I think that complaint also misunderstands that the history of Christianity as its taught to American Christians is, by and large, that story — everything happens in Europe until some stuff starts to happen here). Tyson is taking creationists’ claims deadly seriously, and showing all the ways they’re wrong....

What creationists are upset about is that it’s not a discussion that bothers to treat their ideas like they have any scientific merit. After all, any good scientific question should eventually lead to an answer that generates more questions. Creationism short-circuits that process, instead arguing that there’s an end to questions — that, eventually, you can drill down enough to get to God — God did it or God willed it to be. No more questions needed.

That just can’t be a valid scientific approach. And, so far, week after week, that’s been the subtext to Cosmos.

I really love the way that Tyson is handling these issues which is why the creationists religious nutcases are so upset

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K & R...for awesomeness... Wounded Bear Mar 2014 #1
Science is about finding the truth, ... Deep13 Mar 2014 #2
True. It's politics that's about inventing a persuasive narrative. Usually a toxic one. villager Mar 2014 #4
It's our nature to create narratives, and to live them, so much so that one writer... Hekate Mar 2014 #18
Even Heisenberg (not the "Breaking Bad" one! ;-) ) would agree, or perhaps especially so villager Mar 2014 #22
You mean I can *never* make it stop? Feral Child Mar 2014 #32
Speaking of paradigms... Hekate Mar 2014 #45
Isn't that just another Feral Child Mar 2014 #73
Nope. Buddhism in particular quiets the "monkey mind" that keeps hopping about. nt Hekate Mar 2014 #79
Okay, I've been kidding. Feral Child Mar 2014 #80
Kick! greatlaurel Mar 2014 #3
Love it! n/t Brainstormy Mar 2014 #5
His intelligence heaven05 Mar 2014 #6
In their minds he is ignorant. All scientists are. (eom) StevieM Mar 2014 #56
Dear religions, "Science is not there for you to cherry pick." nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #7
And what would the balance to the truth be? rock Mar 2014 #8
K&R! Phlem Mar 2014 #9
they are free to produce their own ignorant teevee show. spanone Mar 2014 #10
You know, one day they will get their wish and yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #23
At this rate we need to redefine the whole notion of "American exceptionalism." calimary Mar 2014 #38
They have been redefining American exceptionalism since the 2000 election. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #76
They have lots of them caraher Mar 2014 #50
They could call it Fox News. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2014 #61
Don't they already have inroads into the Discovery network? nxylas Mar 2014 #70
Neil de Grasse Tyson has just entered my small pantheon of heroes Hekate Mar 2014 #11
Mine, too. nt enlightenment Mar 2014 #15
Mine, three... chervilant Mar 2014 #74
K & R Iliyah Mar 2014 #12
Maybe they should start their own show... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #13
They do keep TRYING to push this stuff in the media Maedhros Mar 2014 #30
You have a point. nt awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #47
Excuse me. The LIBERAL media. pangaia Mar 2014 #52
It's not as though there's a lack of conservatives in Hollywood... elzenmahn Mar 2014 #31
I have missed it awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #48
They thought everyone is as deranged Hutzpa Mar 2014 #14
Perfect!! Just posted to facebook. lamp_shade Mar 2014 #16
great comments here ... Duppers Mar 2014 #17
He should try to be more tolerant... of flat-out bullshit. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #19
Actually, the bullshit is spherical Blue Owl Mar 2014 #26
Creationists have had the platform all to themselves for a few thousand years Takket Mar 2014 #20
But they've only had 6,000 years while the real universe has had billions! It just isn't fair! n/t whopis01 Mar 2014 #34
Love that man. K&R. NealK Mar 2014 #21
How long does it take to say "Santa Jesus is real and evolution is the work of the devil" npk Mar 2014 #24
oh, they can twist a few thousand facts and scientific principles beyond the point of recognition... lastlib Mar 2014 #66
Good points npk Mar 2014 #69
Demand equal airtime? safeinOhio Mar 2014 #25
Interesting, liberals are not the only group that want to bring back the fairness doctrine. A Simple Game Mar 2014 #27
Nope. The motive behind wanting fairness is completely different. Avalux Mar 2014 #29
AGREED Iliyah Mar 2014 #35
Do I really need to start adding the sarcasm smilie on obvious sarcasm? A Simple Game Mar 2014 #59
In all fairness (no pun intended haha) Avalux Mar 2014 #63
The "fairness doctrine" applied to scientific facts? Lex Mar 2014 #49
It was sarcasm. n/t A Simple Game Mar 2014 #60
Um, mine was too. nt Lex Mar 2014 #64
People who believe Earth is flat are likely the same who think the moon landings never happened and ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2014 #28
I'm most impressed Feral Child Mar 2014 #33
Does this mean the science folk can get equal time on the 700 Club and other religious programs? Moonwalk Mar 2014 #36
Have I slipped into an alternate reality? OnlinePoker Mar 2014 #37
Fox Television is different than Fox News Channel. cui bono Mar 2014 #40
I do believe they are owned by the same people though. Bandit Mar 2014 #41
Ultimately yes, probably. But they are different divisions. cui bono Mar 2014 #43
Murdoch loves money, Ailes loves rightwing nut-jobbery. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #72
I actually think "cherry pick" is the wrong term. cui bono Mar 2014 #39
The fact that the conservative nut cases hate this show is wonderful Gothmog Mar 2014 #42
I see Cosmos as equal time for truth, reality, sanity, and science mountain grammy Mar 2014 #44
It's only fair - they talk up the legitimacy of evolution in churches - don't they? lame54 Mar 2014 #46
K&R stage left Mar 2014 #51
Facts, Evidence, None Of It Matters To Those True Believers colsohlibgal Mar 2014 #53
Don't they already have a gazillion religious shows on TV especially every Sunday? No one gets equa kelliekat44 Mar 2014 #54
Cool guy. Excellent show. nt gulliver Mar 2014 #55
If the creationists want time for creationism NewJeffCT Mar 2014 #57
either works. ramen! niyad Mar 2014 #68
But it would be fun to see both "sides" presented in an episode: bvf Mar 2014 #58
Just because you have heard both sides of a story does not mean you have heard the truth. harun Mar 2014 #62
I'm sorry, I can't hear you eShirl Mar 2014 #65
They were mistaking "cafeteria X-tians" with science...FAIL. (n/t) Moostache Mar 2014 #67
Dear religious cultists. . .your ideas are debunked, discredited and defeated. Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #71
Just love him...lmao!!! Stellar Mar 2014 #75
This post has hundreds of recommendations. And rightly so. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #77
NDT is not ignoring Creationism Gothmog Mar 2014 #78
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