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In reply to the discussion: Neil deGrasse Tyson: SO THAT WOULD BE A NO... [View all]Gothmog
(179,997 posts)78. NDT is not ignoring Creationism
Tyson is not ignoring creationism, he is taking the basic precepts apart and apply science to these concepts http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2014/03/25/3418425/creationism-is-getting-a-lot-of-time-on-cosmos/
Actually, Tyson is deliberately and straightforwardly giving a whole lot of time to creationism. Why did we have to sit through the history of the eyeball? Creationists love to argue that the complexity of the eyeball disproves evolution. Note how he talked specifically about how the eyeball isnt actually this perfect mechanism, but something that works well enough for what we need it for, but not as well as it does in fish the whole idea that the eyeball is a perfect, too-complex thing is a creationist argument.
Another example: Why did Tyson spend so much time explaining the similarities and differences in how polar bears have evolved through natural selection vs. how dogs have changed in the time weve been breeding them for certain traits? Because creationists acknowledge that changes within species happen. They just like to pretend like one kind of organism couldnt really have brought forth another kind of organism.
Tyson isnt ignoring creationism. Creationists wish Tyson were ignoring creationism. Tyson is instead standing on creationisms home turf and playing by their rules. (Every episode weve seen so far has contrasted the Churchs approach to these issues with sciences approach. Ive read some complaints that Cosmos is too much in love with that old story where everything happens in Europe until white people arrive in the Americas and then some stuff gets to happen here too. But I think that complaint also misunderstands that the history of Christianity as its taught to American Christians is, by and large, that story everything happens in Europe until some stuff starts to happen here). Tyson is taking creationists claims deadly seriously, and showing all the ways theyre wrong....
What creationists are upset about is that its not a discussion that bothers to treat their ideas like they have any scientific merit. After all, any good scientific question should eventually lead to an answer that generates more questions. Creationism short-circuits that process, instead arguing that theres an end to questions that, eventually, you can drill down enough to get to God God did it or God willed it to be. No more questions needed.
That just cant be a valid scientific approach. And, so far, week after week, thats been the subtext to Cosmos.
I really love the way that Tyson is handling these issues which is why the creationists religious nutcases are so upset
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villager
Mar 2014
#4
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Hekate
Mar 2014
#18
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Mar 2014
#22
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#79
At this rate we need to redefine the whole notion of "American exceptionalism."
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Mar 2014
#38
But they've only had 6,000 years while the real universe has had billions! It just isn't fair! n/t
whopis01
Mar 2014
#34
How long does it take to say "Santa Jesus is real and evolution is the work of the devil"
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Mar 2014
#24
oh, they can twist a few thousand facts and scientific principles beyond the point of recognition...
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#66
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#27
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ChisolmTrailDem
Mar 2014
#28
Does this mean the science folk can get equal time on the 700 Club and other religious programs?
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Mar 2014
#36
It's only fair - they talk up the legitimacy of evolution in churches - don't they?
lame54
Mar 2014
#46
Don't they already have a gazillion religious shows on TV especially every Sunday? No one gets equa
kelliekat44
Mar 2014
#54
Just because you have heard both sides of a story does not mean you have heard the truth.
harun
Mar 2014
#62
Dear religious cultists. . .your ideas are debunked, discredited and defeated.
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#71