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NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
51. The researchers checked 1 year later
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 03:02 PM
Mar 2014

Firstly, its likely the 85% statistic is from a separate international study (note the citation included in the abstract) and not included in their data rollout. In their sample data, 94% of the e-cig users intended to quit (and only 87% of non-users did).

In terms of their study data, 40% of e-cig users intended to quit in 6 months vs 30% of non users. 54% of e-cig users intended to quit, but not in 6 months, vs 57% of non-users. And the e-cig users who wanted to quit in 30 days was 8% vs 6% among non-users.

Clearly, e-cigarette users were more likely to say they wanted to quit earlier when the study started and those intending to quit were a larger portion of the group.

After 1 years, 10% of e-cig users quit vs 14% of non-users.

Come on now....Let's not be overly obtuse here. You are showing confirmation bias.

You also ignored this:

Among US quitline callers, e-cigarette users were less likely to have quit at 7 months than nonusers



Do you recognize that this study starts out by excluding every person who ever quit using e-cigs?

It also isn't including everyone who already quit cold-turkey or with patches. This is a longitudinal analysis of a main population (smokers) subdivided into two groups. I don't have a clue on why they would look at past smokers in a longitudinal study. That's absurd, crazy science.

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the POINT is.... chillfactor Mar 2014 #1
I am looking to quit, but will settle for now for reducing cigarette consumption. That's a win. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #3
It is? The poster below you disagrees, and so does everyone I know who vapes. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #4
I'll have to tell my brother he got it wrong ... GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #15
"85% of smokers who used e-cigarettes reported using them to quit" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #23
You couldn't be more wrong. beevul Mar 2014 #26
They're looking to reduce their tabacco usage, which a very good thing. Marr Mar 2014 #28
I was looking to quit Treant Mar 2014 #32
not totally true Tyhanna Mar 2014 #35
That's what happened with me. Mariana Mar 2014 #54
No, but thanks for producing your garbage study. jeff47 Mar 2014 #73
Wait a sec Treant Mar 2014 #80
94% of the e-ciggers intended to quit at start of study. 87% of non-users. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #87
They have 0 "e-ciggers". They have dual-users. jeff47 Mar 2014 #90
You can't just make things up here NoOneMan Mar 2014 #92
People can delude themselves quite easily. jeff47 Mar 2014 #102
Oh good god. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #106
Reading. Try it! jeff47 Mar 2014 #110
This "majority" of people aren't smokers, despite any and all pretzel logic NoOneMan Mar 2014 #112
No no no no. smoking tobacco is not the same as using nicotine. It isn't. Demit Mar 2014 #128
I don't understand the anti-e-cig mania. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #2
I agree, and have not seen anyone say they shouldn't be 18+ cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #9
I haven't seen a single person, vaper or not, who disagrees LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #10
The term "moral panic" comes to mind. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #16
You'd noticed that too? Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #67
Some people are just anti-smoking zealots MicaelS Mar 2014 #11
They're anti-NICOTINE zealots meow2u3 Mar 2014 #107
Remember when they used to say it was all about Mariana Mar 2014 #130
Prohibitionists will find any pretext to persecute vapers meow2u3 Mar 2014 #142
I think the anti -e-cig mania is being financed by the tobacco industry nt octoberlib Mar 2014 #14
Bingo. n/t Whiskeytide Mar 2014 #19
Ding! Treant Mar 2014 #33
I agree.... zabet Mar 2014 #36
The telling fact Treant Mar 2014 #43
And the tobacco companies are selling e-cigs Mariana Mar 2014 #68
Half the major tobacco companies have bought up e-cig companies. onehandle Mar 2014 #44
But hardly anyone uses their crappy e-cigs. Mariana Mar 2014 #56
I suspect your latter paragraph is correct Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #69
Tritto Treant Mar 2014 #88
The harm is done to the people who don't know Mariana Mar 2014 #100
You're exactly right Oilwellian Mar 2014 #105
Neither the tobacco or pharmaceutical industry wants competition.... meow2u3 Mar 2014 #108
The mania is a PR campaign DJ13 Mar 2014 #75
Why do these people need to use them where cigs are not allowed? No need to change that part!! nt Logical Mar 2014 #133
It's kind of like Republicans wanting to make those on welfare suffer more, there's TransitJohn Mar 2014 #137
"85% of smokers who used e-cigarettes reported using them to quit" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #5
Okay... that is beyond dishonest. cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #31
The researchers checked 1 year later NoOneMan Mar 2014 #51
Definition Treant Mar 2014 #55
"to determine whether e-cigarette use predicted successful quitting or reduced cigarette consumption NoOneMan Mar 2014 #60
Got it. Treant Mar 2014 #62
"I think they're lying" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #63
Possibly Treant Mar 2014 #64
Well this article is fully available: NoOneMan Mar 2014 #65
No, thanks. Treant Mar 2014 #70
"When data flies in the face of common sense" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #77
Thanks for the insult Treant Mar 2014 #82
I posted this before I read about your impairment NoOneMan Mar 2014 #84
On second thought.. Treant Mar 2014 #85
hum Tyhanna Mar 2014 #71
Thanks! Treant Mar 2014 #74
The 85% refers to an intention, not a success rate. pnwmom Mar 2014 #46
Look at the study. 1-Year Success rate is 13.8 (non-users) vs 10.2 (e-cig users) NoOneMan Mar 2014 #52
Definition Treant Mar 2014 #57
See above. You can read an abstract too you know NoOneMan Mar 2014 #61
Actually Treant Mar 2014 #72
Oh. I apologize. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #78
Maybe if Treant Mar 2014 #86
The study is of people who are not trying to quit. jeff47 Mar 2014 #79
94% of the e-cig users are intending to quit at the start of the study NoOneMan Mar 2014 #81
No. They have 0 e-cig users. jeff47 Mar 2014 #89
"Who overall did not intend to quit.". <-- Where is this in their data? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #91
In the text. And you skipped over the problem with 0 e-cig users. jeff47 Mar 2014 #94
Where?!? I see 94% of this group intends to quit. Its right in the graph NoOneMan Mar 2014 #96
Gum and patch do not replace cigarettes jeff47 Mar 2014 #98
What's that have to do with the price of tea in China? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #99
If they are using nicotine, they should be considered "smoker" jeff47 Mar 2014 #104
No. Vaping is not smoking. Gum is not smoking. Patches is not smoking. Smoking cigarettes is smoking NoOneMan Mar 2014 #109
Once again, the point of "smoking" is to inhale nicotine. jeff47 Mar 2014 #111
Silly is an understatement NoOneMan Mar 2014 #115
Some "intended" to quit, but the problem is that cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #93
You couldn't be more wrong. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #97
The older I get, the more skeptical I get of researchers.. MicaelS Mar 2014 #6
There used to be gatekeepers jeff47 Mar 2014 #83
People that smoke are addicted to nicotine Bandit Mar 2014 #7
It can be. I know many people who taper down the strength until they are using no nicotine. -nt Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #12
I am Treant Mar 2014 #37
People who are obese are addicted to eating lots of food cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #13
that was a very convoluted way to say hfojvt Mar 2014 #20
Where in my post did I say anything was wrong with using nicotine? Bandit Mar 2014 #47
You reduced the use of e-cigs as solely a means of substituting nicotine delivery. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #124
I've gone from 24mg liquid to 6mg. Revanchist Mar 2014 #17
You're doing it wrong! Mariana Mar 2014 #38
No! It can't be done! Treant Mar 2014 #59
Care to explain patches and gum, both marketed as quit devices, then? n/t LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #22
Neither are demonstrated to be effective in increasing long term cessation of smoking NoOneMan Mar 2014 #24
At this point I don't see a real need to change the marketing LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #27
I'm talking about the marketing of gum/patches being bullshit NoOneMan Mar 2014 #30
Bud smoke Treant Mar 2014 #48
Well, you're wrong Oilwellian Mar 2014 #119
I know several people who quit smoking cold turkey NoOneMan Mar 2014 #120
I also know several who quit cold turkey Oilwellian Mar 2014 #125
Having anecdotes doesn't make other people wrong NoOneMan Mar 2014 #126
There's no first-hand smoke effect, either Mariana Mar 2014 #34
So what? Treant Mar 2014 #41
so you think nicotine is so bad? How about those that use nicotine for UC? Tyhanna Mar 2014 #45
Reading comprehension skills.. I wish people would learn them. Bandit Mar 2014 #50
guess I miss understood what you were trying to say n/t Tyhanna Mar 2014 #66
Who says tobacco smokers want to stop using nicotine entirely? That is your straw man. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #123
In my case you're wrong Glitterati Mar 2014 #148
I wish the people who are against e-cigs would just be clear in their demands. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #8
They should be taxed to the hilt. Mariana Mar 2014 #39
you never do explain HOW to be a dishonest moron hfojvt Mar 2014 #18
Practice, practice, practice cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #25
I think you're getting this wrong. DanTex Mar 2014 #29
No, that's not right. They made no study of whether it helps people quit. cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #58
Yes, the population of e-cig smokers is self-selected. DanTex Mar 2014 #114
I am not saying science is impossible, I am saying this study is bogus cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #118
But your argument as to why this study is "bogus" is invalid. DanTex Mar 2014 #121
"Common sense dictates that they should work at least as well as patches or gum" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #127
I wasn't of aware of that. DanTex Mar 2014 #129
For reference: NoOneMan Mar 2014 #131
I quit completely 3 years ago thanks to E-cigs. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #40
Congratulations! Treant Mar 2014 #42
My Last Tobacco Cig Was in October Leith Mar 2014 #53
i'm coming up on two weeks fizzgig Mar 2014 #151
Although I agree with you on this issue, I have to ask: truedelphi Mar 2014 #49
I'm currently smoking my fifth ciggy of the day Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #76
The researchers at UCSF who study tobacco know a boatload about biostatistics ProfessorPlum Mar 2014 #95
Unfortunately, Treant Mar 2014 #116
Glantz is an antis anti. N/T beevul Mar 2014 #122
Works MUCH better with a Quitter's Inc support group... jtuck004 Mar 2014 #101
I haven't seen them marketed a a smoking cessation aid notadmblnd Mar 2014 #103
They are only marketed as a cessation device overseas LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #113
Or for entertainment Treant Mar 2014 #117
The stupid is strong on that side of the ecig battle SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #132
I am fine with them if they don't use them where real cigs are not allowed. nt Logical Mar 2014 #134
And what's your logic behind that thought process? SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #135
why do smokers need to use them other places? They satisfied their cravings fine before. n-t Logical Mar 2014 #136
They're only allowed to smoke SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #138
I don't want to be around it. Don't like it. Good enough reason? Like I said..... Logical Mar 2014 #139
Perhaps you're confused... SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #140
Yes it is good enough. And cities and companies are agreeing. I love your whining.... Logical Mar 2014 #141
No, it's really not good enough. And I love your illogical pseudo logic SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #143
No, its not good enough. beevul Mar 2014 #145
Oddly enough, your whims are not the sole consideration in all human affairs cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #147
Logical appears to wish harm on you Mariana Mar 2014 #144
Thats SO true. beevul Mar 2014 #146
I envision them trying to watch everyone around them Mariana Mar 2014 #150
Logic would dictate that, yes... SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #149
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