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Oilwellian

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105. You're exactly right

Tue Mar 25, 2014, 04:37 PM

Mar 2014

I started with the crappy disposable ecigs and went back to smoking. They just didn't satisfy enough. Then a family member introduced me to the online world of vaping, and never looked back. The hubster and I have been smoke-free for 7 months now. Two other family members have also quit and a brother who smokes 75% ecig 25% cig.

The tobacco company version of ecigs are designed to send you back to smoking. A cigarette has 60 mg. of nicotine and their ecigs have 20 mg. at most. People aren't getting satisfied if they're trying to quit, and probably explains why I went back to smoking. When I tried the bigger, better vapes, I started with the 36 mg. eliquid and I felt completely satisfied with that. Now I'm at 0 mg. of nicotine but still enjoy vaping.

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How to Generate Bogus Conclusions (E-Cig Study Edition) [View all] cthulu2016 Mar 2014 OP

the POINT is.... chillfactor Mar 2014 #1

I am looking to quit, but will settle for now for reducing cigarette consumption. That's a win. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #3

It is? The poster below you disagrees, and so does everyone I know who vapes. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #4

I'll have to tell my brother he got it wrong ... GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #15

"85% of smokers who used e-cigarettes reported using them to quit" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #23

You couldn't be more wrong. beevul Mar 2014 #26

They're looking to reduce their tabacco usage, which a very good thing. Marr Mar 2014 #28

I was looking to quit Treant Mar 2014 #32

not totally true Tyhanna Mar 2014 #35

That's what happened with me. Mariana Mar 2014 #54

No, but thanks for producing your garbage study. jeff47 Mar 2014 #73

Wait a sec Treant Mar 2014 #80

94% of the e-ciggers intended to quit at start of study. 87% of non-users. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #87

They have 0 "e-ciggers". They have dual-users. jeff47 Mar 2014 #90

You can't just make things up here NoOneMan Mar 2014 #92

People can delude themselves quite easily. jeff47 Mar 2014 #102

Oh good god. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #106

Reading. Try it! jeff47 Mar 2014 #110

This "majority" of people aren't smokers, despite any and all pretzel logic NoOneMan Mar 2014 #112

No no no no. smoking tobacco is not the same as using nicotine. It isn't. Demit Mar 2014 #128

I don't understand the anti-e-cig mania. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #2

I agree, and have not seen anyone say they shouldn't be 18+ cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #9

I haven't seen a single person, vaper or not, who disagrees LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #10

The term "moral panic" comes to mind. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #16

You'd noticed that too? Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #67

Some people are just anti-smoking zealots MicaelS Mar 2014 #11

They're anti-NICOTINE zealots meow2u3 Mar 2014 #107

Remember when they used to say it was all about Mariana Mar 2014 #130

Prohibitionists will find any pretext to persecute vapers meow2u3 Mar 2014 #142

I think the anti -e-cig mania is being financed by the tobacco industry nt octoberlib Mar 2014 #14

Bingo. n/t Whiskeytide Mar 2014 #19

Ding! Treant Mar 2014 #33

I agree.... zabet Mar 2014 #36

The telling fact Treant Mar 2014 #43

And the tobacco companies are selling e-cigs Mariana Mar 2014 #68

Half the major tobacco companies have bought up e-cig companies. onehandle Mar 2014 #44

But hardly anyone uses their crappy e-cigs. Mariana Mar 2014 #56

I suspect your latter paragraph is correct Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #69

Tritto Treant Mar 2014 #88

The harm is done to the people who don't know Mariana Mar 2014 #100

You're exactly right Oilwellian Mar 2014 #105

Neither the tobacco or pharmaceutical industry wants competition.... meow2u3 Mar 2014 #108

The mania is a PR campaign DJ13 Mar 2014 #75

Why do these people need to use them where cigs are not allowed? No need to change that part!! nt Logical Mar 2014 #133

It's kind of like Republicans wanting to make those on welfare suffer more, there's TransitJohn Mar 2014 #137

"85% of smokers who used e-cigarettes reported using them to quit" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #5

Okay... that is beyond dishonest. cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #31

The researchers checked 1 year later NoOneMan Mar 2014 #51

Definition Treant Mar 2014 #55

"to determine whether e-cigarette use predicted successful quitting or reduced cigarette consumption NoOneMan Mar 2014 #60

Got it. Treant Mar 2014 #62

"I think they're lying" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #63

Possibly Treant Mar 2014 #64

Well this article is fully available: NoOneMan Mar 2014 #65

No, thanks. Treant Mar 2014 #70

"When data flies in the face of common sense" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #77

Thanks for the insult Treant Mar 2014 #82

I posted this before I read about your impairment NoOneMan Mar 2014 #84

On second thought.. Treant Mar 2014 #85

hum Tyhanna Mar 2014 #71

Thanks! Treant Mar 2014 #74

The 85% refers to an intention, not a success rate. pnwmom Mar 2014 #46

Look at the study. 1-Year Success rate is 13.8 (non-users) vs 10.2 (e-cig users) NoOneMan Mar 2014 #52

Definition Treant Mar 2014 #57

See above. You can read an abstract too you know NoOneMan Mar 2014 #61

Actually Treant Mar 2014 #72

Oh. I apologize. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #78

Maybe if Treant Mar 2014 #86

The study is of people who are not trying to quit. jeff47 Mar 2014 #79

94% of the e-cig users are intending to quit at the start of the study NoOneMan Mar 2014 #81

No. They have 0 e-cig users. jeff47 Mar 2014 #89

"Who overall did not intend to quit.". <-- Where is this in their data? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #91

In the text. And you skipped over the problem with 0 e-cig users. jeff47 Mar 2014 #94

Where?!? I see 94% of this group intends to quit. Its right in the graph NoOneMan Mar 2014 #96

Gum and patch do not replace cigarettes jeff47 Mar 2014 #98

What's that have to do with the price of tea in China? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #99

If they are using nicotine, they should be considered "smoker" jeff47 Mar 2014 #104

No. Vaping is not smoking. Gum is not smoking. Patches is not smoking. Smoking cigarettes is smoking NoOneMan Mar 2014 #109

Once again, the point of "smoking" is to inhale nicotine. jeff47 Mar 2014 #111

Silly is an understatement NoOneMan Mar 2014 #115

Some "intended" to quit, but the problem is that cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #93

You couldn't be more wrong. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #97

The older I get, the more skeptical I get of researchers.. MicaelS Mar 2014 #6

There used to be gatekeepers jeff47 Mar 2014 #83

People that smoke are addicted to nicotine Bandit Mar 2014 #7

It can be. I know many people who taper down the strength until they are using no nicotine. -nt Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #12

I am Treant Mar 2014 #37

People who are obese are addicted to eating lots of food cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #13

that was a very convoluted way to say hfojvt Mar 2014 #20

Where in my post did I say anything was wrong with using nicotine? Bandit Mar 2014 #47

You reduced the use of e-cigs as solely a means of substituting nicotine delivery. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #124

I've gone from 24mg liquid to 6mg. Revanchist Mar 2014 #17

You're doing it wrong! Mariana Mar 2014 #38

No! It can't be done! Treant Mar 2014 #59

Care to explain patches and gum, both marketed as quit devices, then? n/t LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #22

Neither are demonstrated to be effective in increasing long term cessation of smoking NoOneMan Mar 2014 #24

At this point I don't see a real need to change the marketing LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #27

I'm talking about the marketing of gum/patches being bullshit NoOneMan Mar 2014 #30

Bud smoke Treant Mar 2014 #48

Well, you're wrong Oilwellian Mar 2014 #119

I know several people who quit smoking cold turkey NoOneMan Mar 2014 #120

I also know several who quit cold turkey Oilwellian Mar 2014 #125

Having anecdotes doesn't make other people wrong NoOneMan Mar 2014 #126

There's no first-hand smoke effect, either Mariana Mar 2014 #34

So what? Treant Mar 2014 #41

so you think nicotine is so bad? How about those that use nicotine for UC? Tyhanna Mar 2014 #45

Reading comprehension skills.. I wish people would learn them. Bandit Mar 2014 #50

guess I miss understood what you were trying to say n/t Tyhanna Mar 2014 #66

Who says tobacco smokers want to stop using nicotine entirely? That is your straw man. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #123

In my case you're wrong Glitterati Mar 2014 #148

I wish the people who are against e-cigs would just be clear in their demands. Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #8

They should be taxed to the hilt. Mariana Mar 2014 #39

you never do explain HOW to be a dishonest moron hfojvt Mar 2014 #18

Practice, practice, practice cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #25

I think you're getting this wrong. DanTex Mar 2014 #29

No, that's not right. They made no study of whether it helps people quit. cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #58

Yes, the population of e-cig smokers is self-selected. DanTex Mar 2014 #114

I am not saying science is impossible, I am saying this study is bogus cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #118

But your argument as to why this study is "bogus" is invalid. DanTex Mar 2014 #121

"Common sense dictates that they should work at least as well as patches or gum" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #127

I wasn't of aware of that. DanTex Mar 2014 #129

For reference: NoOneMan Mar 2014 #131

I quit completely 3 years ago thanks to E-cigs. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #40

Congratulations! Treant Mar 2014 #42

My Last Tobacco Cig Was in October Leith Mar 2014 #53

i'm coming up on two weeks fizzgig Mar 2014 #151

Although I agree with you on this issue, I have to ask: truedelphi Mar 2014 #49

I'm currently smoking my fifth ciggy of the day Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #76

The researchers at UCSF who study tobacco know a boatload about biostatistics ProfessorPlum Mar 2014 #95

Unfortunately, Treant Mar 2014 #116

Glantz is an antis anti. N/T beevul Mar 2014 #122

Works MUCH better with a Quitter's Inc support group... jtuck004 Mar 2014 #101

I haven't seen them marketed a a smoking cessation aid notadmblnd Mar 2014 #103

They are only marketed as a cessation device overseas LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #113

Or for entertainment Treant Mar 2014 #117

The stupid is strong on that side of the ecig battle SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #132

I am fine with them if they don't use them where real cigs are not allowed. nt Logical Mar 2014 #134

And what's your logic behind that thought process? SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #135

why do smokers need to use them other places? They satisfied their cravings fine before. n-t Logical Mar 2014 #136

They're only allowed to smoke SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #138

I don't want to be around it. Don't like it. Good enough reason? Like I said..... Logical Mar 2014 #139

Perhaps you're confused... SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #140

Yes it is good enough. And cities and companies are agreeing. I love your whining.... Logical Mar 2014 #141

No, it's really not good enough. And I love your illogical pseudo logic SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #143

No, its not good enough. beevul Mar 2014 #145

Oddly enough, your whims are not the sole consideration in all human affairs cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #147

Logical appears to wish harm on you Mariana Mar 2014 #144

Thats SO true. beevul Mar 2014 #146

I envision them trying to watch everyone around them Mariana Mar 2014 #150

Logic would dictate that, yes... SirRevolutionary Mar 2014 #149