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In reply to the discussion: How to Generate Bogus Conclusions (E-Cig Study Edition) [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)111. Once again, the point of "smoking" is to inhale nicotine.
It doesn't matter if you actually light something on fire. The entire reason you do so is to inhale nicotine.
Interestingly enough, I've been told over and over that the immediate harm of cigarettes to people and others around them isn't the actual nicotine, but the tar and chemicals added to it. So to be clear, its just the nicotine?
Tar and other chemicals come along with the tobacco and the smoke. But the point of smoking is to inhale nicotine.
Nicotine itself is actually pretty safe. Has a slightly higher LD50 than caffeine, and has not been shown to cause lung cancer or other "smoker" diseases.
Studying QUITTERS was never their intention, as it is declared in their abstract.
And if you want to study e-cigs, you have to include users of e-cigs. There's no reason to throw out the e-cig users that are still using nicotine from the study.
The fact that they don't light tobacco on fire does not mean they are no longer inhaling nicotine. And inhaling nicotine is the point of cigarettes, electronic or otherwise.
They aren't claiming that. They are claiming that among SMOKERS, e-cigarrete usage predicts a reduction in cessation of smoking after 1 year.
Read it again. Their "quit rate" was lower for the dual-users than the traditional cigarette users.
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I am looking to quit, but will settle for now for reducing cigarette consumption. That's a win.
Comrade Grumpy
Mar 2014
#3
It is? The poster below you disagrees, and so does everyone I know who vapes.
DisgustipatedinCA
Mar 2014
#4
Why do these people need to use them where cigs are not allowed? No need to change that part!! nt
Logical
Mar 2014
#133
It's kind of like Republicans wanting to make those on welfare suffer more, there's
TransitJohn
Mar 2014
#137
"to determine whether e-cigarette use predicted successful quitting or reduced cigarette consumption
NoOneMan
Mar 2014
#60
Look at the study. 1-Year Success rate is 13.8 (non-users) vs 10.2 (e-cig users)
NoOneMan
Mar 2014
#52
No. Vaping is not smoking. Gum is not smoking. Patches is not smoking. Smoking cigarettes is smoking
NoOneMan
Mar 2014
#109
It can be. I know many people who taper down the strength until they are using no nicotine. -nt
Liberal Veteran
Mar 2014
#12
You reduced the use of e-cigs as solely a means of substituting nicotine delivery.
KittyWampus
Mar 2014
#124
Neither are demonstrated to be effective in increasing long term cessation of smoking
NoOneMan
Mar 2014
#24
Who says tobacco smokers want to stop using nicotine entirely? That is your straw man.
KittyWampus
Mar 2014
#123
I wish the people who are against e-cigs would just be clear in their demands.
Liberal Veteran
Mar 2014
#8
"Common sense dictates that they should work at least as well as patches or gum"
NoOneMan
Mar 2014
#127
The researchers at UCSF who study tobacco know a boatload about biostatistics
ProfessorPlum
Mar 2014
#95
I am fine with them if they don't use them where real cigs are not allowed. nt
Logical
Mar 2014
#134
why do smokers need to use them other places? They satisfied their cravings fine before. n-t
Logical
Mar 2014
#136
I don't want to be around it. Don't like it. Good enough reason? Like I said.....
Logical
Mar 2014
#139
Yes it is good enough. And cities and companies are agreeing. I love your whining....
Logical
Mar 2014
#141
No, it's really not good enough. And I love your illogical pseudo logic
SirRevolutionary
Mar 2014
#143
Oddly enough, your whims are not the sole consideration in all human affairs
cthulu2016
Mar 2014
#147