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In reply to the discussion: There is REASONABLE doubt about Zimmerman's guilt....According to "Stand Your Ground" [View all]Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)57. You asked for documentation. I provided it. Where's *your* documentation?
I've seen support for regulation going up in some polls.
Ok...let's see them!
I will agree that our tolerance for gun violence in this country has probably gone up since the gun lobby has had the money and the power to overcome
Ah, so you characterize disagreeing with gun control as "tolerance for gun violence". Convenient labeling, that.
what I believe are reasonable controls and regulations on guns.
Details, please. What "reasonable" controls and regulations are you advocating?
If your perspective is just limited to your own "backyard" so to speak, if you don't see the world thru a larger lens, then I can see (altho I don't agree with) your perspective.
I've been to over a dozen countries. I'm quite aware of the world at large, I assure you.
Lest you suspect I am ignorant about the gun culture of this country, I hasten to assure you that I am a 3rd generation Texan, born and raised (until I mercifully escaped to the Northeast for college) in Dallas. Hell, we even had a neighbor who shot and killed her philandering husband in their driveway and my mother was interviewed by police about the incident. A culture of having/owning guns was not alien to my personal history...
The term "gun culture" as used in the United States doesn't refer to having neighbors who shoot each other.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_culture#Present-day_gun_culture_in_the_United_States
Erik Luna, Associate Professor at the University of Utah College of Law, describes the differences between a "pro-gun culture" and an "anti-gun culture" in the United States[3] and describes some traits of a "pro-gun culture" as follows:
They share a belief that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution enumerates an individual right, (as further elaborated by Justice Antonin Scalia of the SCOTUS). Generally they see people as trustworthy and believe that citizens should not be prevented from having guns unless they have done something to show that they are not to be trusted with them.
They share a belief that guns provide some level of protection against criminality and tyranny. This ranges from a feeling that it is good to have a gun around the house for self-protection, to an active distrust of government and a belief that widespread gun ownership is protection against tyranny.
They are generally responsible with respect to firearms handling. They have an awareness (or internalization) of either Jeff Cooper's Four Rules or the NRA's Three Rules, providing for safe handling of guns and try to abide by them when handling firearms.
They support, widely and in principle, the gun rights associated with hunting and other outdoor sports activities, although these activities are not always practiced by all within the gun culture. Some members of the gun culture remain avid collectors and shooters but this is not universal.
I have a different perspective. I prefer to live differently.
Who's stopping you?
Ok...let's see them!
I will agree that our tolerance for gun violence in this country has probably gone up since the gun lobby has had the money and the power to overcome
Ah, so you characterize disagreeing with gun control as "tolerance for gun violence". Convenient labeling, that.
what I believe are reasonable controls and regulations on guns.
Details, please. What "reasonable" controls and regulations are you advocating?
If your perspective is just limited to your own "backyard" so to speak, if you don't see the world thru a larger lens, then I can see (altho I don't agree with) your perspective.
I've been to over a dozen countries. I'm quite aware of the world at large, I assure you.
Lest you suspect I am ignorant about the gun culture of this country, I hasten to assure you that I am a 3rd generation Texan, born and raised (until I mercifully escaped to the Northeast for college) in Dallas. Hell, we even had a neighbor who shot and killed her philandering husband in their driveway and my mother was interviewed by police about the incident. A culture of having/owning guns was not alien to my personal history...
The term "gun culture" as used in the United States doesn't refer to having neighbors who shoot each other.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_culture#Present-day_gun_culture_in_the_United_States
Erik Luna, Associate Professor at the University of Utah College of Law, describes the differences between a "pro-gun culture" and an "anti-gun culture" in the United States[3] and describes some traits of a "pro-gun culture" as follows:
They share a belief that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution enumerates an individual right, (as further elaborated by Justice Antonin Scalia of the SCOTUS). Generally they see people as trustworthy and believe that citizens should not be prevented from having guns unless they have done something to show that they are not to be trusted with them.
They share a belief that guns provide some level of protection against criminality and tyranny. This ranges from a feeling that it is good to have a gun around the house for self-protection, to an active distrust of government and a belief that widespread gun ownership is protection against tyranny.
They are generally responsible with respect to firearms handling. They have an awareness (or internalization) of either Jeff Cooper's Four Rules or the NRA's Three Rules, providing for safe handling of guns and try to abide by them when handling firearms.
They support, widely and in principle, the gun rights associated with hunting and other outdoor sports activities, although these activities are not always practiced by all within the gun culture. Some members of the gun culture remain avid collectors and shooters but this is not universal.
I have a different perspective. I prefer to live differently.
Who's stopping you?
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There is REASONABLE doubt about Zimmerman's guilt....According to "Stand Your Ground" [View all]
da_decider
Mar 2012
OP
to conclude that without knowing all the evidence and without a trial is ridiculous
CreekDog
Mar 2012
#43
According to the recording of Zimmerman's call, Trayvon approached, then RAN AWAY
csziggy
Mar 2012
#52
Zimmerman: "Go straight in. Oh, s***. He's running ... down towards the other entrance of neighborho
Incitatus
Mar 2012
#14
Correct. You are speculating. On the other hand other people are mad because of what is on the
Lint Head
Mar 2012
#3
Indeed ...the SYG law is the real problem and that's where the focus should be now.
L0oniX
Mar 2012
#38
dear me, this poll doesn't really ask about reasonable regulations of guns, does it?
CTyankee
Mar 2012
#45
It's the same old tired poll posted time and time again, and it proves nothing. The fact of the
apocalypsehow
Mar 2012
#49
It's interesting. The poster hasn't even bothered to respond. Kinda crazy if you want to win a
CTyankee
Mar 2012
#50
I guess anyone can cherry pick any poll they want. I've seen support for regulation going up
CTyankee
Mar 2012
#55
Polls that "we" put up? As far as I can tell, I'm the only one who's provided documentation.
Johnny Rico
Mar 2012
#61
And I referenced another Gallup poll that said something different in terms of public support of
CTyankee
Mar 2012
#62
I've been down this road before with other gun supporters and it always ends up
CTyankee
Mar 2012
#65
I was so hoping...hoping...that this would go differently than the arguments from your side
CTyankee
Mar 2012
#73
Dissent away! The chance of significant gun control being passed at the national level is somewhere
Johnny Rico
Mar 2012
#69
I would say that mandatory adminsitration of the MMPI should happen
coalition_unwilling
Mar 2012
#51
"Zimmerman is accorded the presumption of innocence in our 'legal' system" ...the mob disagrees...
L0oniX
Mar 2012
#39
If Trayvon's body was right next to Zimmermans truck, that might be an argument he could make.
Incitatus
Mar 2012
#12
Self-defense claims have always hinged on 'reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm'
X_Digger
Mar 2012
#13
George Zimmerman made wrong decision after wrong decision after wrong decision that night.
Ganja Ninja
Mar 2012
#56