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193. Determining/changing one's position on major issues that affect humanity

Tue Mar 25, 2014, 10:01 PM

Mar 2014

based on the letter after a politician's name is pretty much the definition of mindless behavior.

And that is the goal of the corporate propaganda: to replace assessment of policies based on political values and principles with visceral, knee-jerk, emotional loyalty to a party or politician. Look at how politics is covered on corporate cable TV: as a breathless, emotional horse race between your team and the other team, with only the most superficial, inflammatory issues on display.

There has been a deliberate and systematic attempt by the corporate One Percent, through their purchased propaganda, to detach party loyalty from the actual policies being pursued, and to attach it instead to team colors, logos, and politicians.

That's why we get the shameless spectacle of Democrats who abhorred spying and drone murders and indefinite detention under Bush but defend them under Obama, and Republicans who now lambaste Obama for the very same policies they defended under Bush.

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Obamabots: Not Our Enemy: Cut Them Some Slack [View all] RobertEarl Mar 2014 OP

Well worth considering nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #1

Worshipping the promotion of the third-way, which causes the degredation of the global environment.. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #2

Worship? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #4

I guess it comes down to how you define "Obamabots" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #9

That is true RobertEarl Mar 2014 #12

So George Washington wasn't "the One"? so Jefferson wasn't "the One"? so Lincoln wasn't "the One"? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #31

Comparing Obama to any of these men is like comparing Justin Beiber to John Lennon... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #70

^^^ Prime example right there folks... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #71

I would have said the same for your ludicrous claim. Obama might not be another Bush... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #84

Oh he isn't? Watch and see what happens AFTER his administration ends... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #86

Tell us something we don't know Number23 Mar 2014 #223

Why don't you simply refute it? AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #228

refute what? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #266

...instead of the petty bickering AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #280

Can I refute a analogy between Barack Obama and Justin Beiber? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #267

When someone states an opinion AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #281

How do you refute Obama = Beiber... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #282

With facts AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #283

Correct. nt sheshe2 Mar 2014 #253

D+ OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #123

Had they lost or been captured they would have been executed. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #136

Da fuq? OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #172

I think you have lost the plot. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #185

I think you have lost the debate... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #286

This message was self-deleted by its author VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #139

Did you mean to respond to me? OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #173

Whoops! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #177

Or even had to treestar Mar 2014 #252

You mean those slave owning bastards? phleshdef Mar 2014 #198

Baloney, how did Lincoln put his life on the line? treestar Mar 2014 #251

Washington not only physically put his life on the line, he did something more... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #261

That was unique to the First President! treestar Mar 2014 #264

We know what they have done. Washington and Jefferson risked their lives, Obama broke promises... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #275

Oh boy, look at all the fun I missed. Beacool Mar 2014 #273

and your first step is to not refer to all others as "haters" DrDan Mar 2014 #138

its not ALL others is it? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #142

pretty much DrDan Mar 2014 #144

Yeah...that is hating...pretty much isn't it? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #163

The problem is that there is no aggregate progress, through unity or otherwise NoOneMan Mar 2014 #66

That is YOUR cataclysmic interpretation...history of this country does not bear that out. VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #75

Climate change and the environment is my silly pet issue NoOneMan Mar 2014 #88

So fuck EVERYTHING else right? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #91

Everything else is becoming moot real quickly NoOneMan Mar 2014 #94

No it is NOT.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #103

With all due respect, your opinion mean fuck all to matter of science NoOneMan Mar 2014 #117

That is YOUR pet issue...it is NOT the only issue we face Sorry... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #119

That's the political rabbit hole talking NoOneMan Mar 2014 #121

Sorry I disagree with your stance....You want the Green party....they don't mind One issue voters.. VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #135

Existential threats render all other silly pet issues silly. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #196

What threat.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #197

Anthropocene. 6th Extinction. Ocean Acidification. Anthropomorphic climate change NoOneMan Mar 2014 #199

No I didn't but as I said it is not the ONLY thing i am interested in... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #217

Methane is good for the planet. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #249

Mass extinction. Rex Mar 2014 #216

Right wingers don't believe in climate change AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #229

And, not referring to them as "Obamabots" would be a good start. GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #3

I do understand RobertEarl Mar 2014 #7

Why do I dislike it? GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #10

Fair enough. RobertEarl Mar 2014 #14

but you are NOT one so you don't get to decide what THEY want to be called...get it? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #77

I will never understand AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #230

Determining/changing one's position on major issues that affect humanity woo me with science Mar 2014 #193

+1. Ultimately, it's the policies that matter. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #254

possibly they don't like it because it insinuates that they are "robots" duh... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #35

and the term "haters" is not derisive? DrDan Mar 2014 #141

Yes. That, too. n/t GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #158

What do you call those that frequent DU but do not support ANY Democrats at all VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #164

I don't have a name for them. GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #182

Well those described are certainly NOT Democrats.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #195

Why the hell are you asking me all of this? GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #206

What do you call those I JUST described...because LIKE it or not THEY are here.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #218

Yeah, I know "THEY" are here. GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #239

So you believe this site was created to allow people to BASH the Democrats? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #270

Again, please show me how I "have nothing at all good to say about Democrats". GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #272

LOL, why are THEY above have a group name treestar Mar 2014 #256

It's purely descriptive treestar Mar 2014 #255

what a load DrDan Mar 2014 #260

What's an "Obamabot"? n/t zappaman Mar 2014 #5

Indeed ... it appears to be frazzled Mar 2014 #22

+++1000!!! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #37

+1000000 treestar Mar 2014 #258

Why don't you ask someone that started a thread on it and is proud of being one? Rex Mar 2014 #28

that was "owning the term...even though it is used as a perjorative... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #79

There are also some people in the middle. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #6

Get over this idea that all Dems who support Obama are Obamabots who have a 'singular vision of lumpy Mar 2014 #8

Well said. n/t GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #11

The problem is RobertEarl Mar 2014 #19

Being called an Obamabot is not a bad thing? I see. What can make it bad are nasty reactions lumpy Mar 2014 #21

I am open to a new term RobertEarl Mar 2014 #23

The only thing I wish to be labled is 'a Democrat'. lumpy Mar 2014 #26

This. Skidmore Mar 2014 #29

+ 10 billion. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2014 #30

A Quick Hello... KharmaTrain Mar 2014 #90

Hi and you've got that right! greatauntoftriplets Mar 2014 #92

I Hear Ya... KharmaTrain Mar 2014 #102

Nice to see you. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2014 #107

I Lost My Star... KharmaTrain Mar 2014 #116

I think there are a lot of members doing that lately. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2014 #122

You brought it back home RobertEarl Mar 2014 #42

Sorry if you thought my 'assumption' was my questioning your Demo creds. Of course I know lumpy Mar 2014 #61

then STOP calling them that....that might be a good place to start.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #83

+1000 Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #62

+1000 maddezmom Mar 2014 #100

a Democrat is the proper term.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #43

Thank you! babylonsister Mar 2014 #131

Don't think that was insinuated LibAsHell Mar 2014 #205

And considering those "bots" make up anything from 65-90% of the Dem base Number23 Mar 2014 #225

... woo me with science Mar 2014 #13

The RW and the Kochs also use propaganda and disinformation CJCRANE Mar 2014 #15

Nobody buys the garbage anymore. woo me with science Mar 2014 #17

IMO there are two propaganda crews* here on opposite poles. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #18

These have got to be the saddest, most desperate talking points of all. woo me with science Mar 2014 #20

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone RobertEarl Mar 2014 #25

Uh, huh. Keep trying to sell that garbage. woo me with science Mar 2014 #33

Well, here's the thing... CJCRANE Mar 2014 #39

and then claim "They are the true Progressives" and they are the "real DU'ers" VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #45

"generally approve of President Obama and the Democratic Party." woo me with science Mar 2014 #67

They are the majority of Democrats and liberals. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #74

The majority of Democrats and liberals oppose these POLICIES. woo me with science Mar 2014 #81

by the way...Bernie Sanders supports President Obama.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #106

"supports President Obama" woo me with science Mar 2014 #111

Yes he does....do you have a problem with your exhibit A? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #113

"that the president did not renew his proposal to cut Social Security benefits." woo me with science Mar 2014 #143

He said much MORE than that...if THAT is the only thing you saw....then there is your problem VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #146

PLUS A BRAZILLION! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #259

Horseshit. A large majority of self-identified liberals and democrats have voiced their approval ... 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #126

+ a GOZILLION more! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #149

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #137

((raises hand)) I know! I know! Number23 Mar 2014 #227

+1 Marr Mar 2014 #99

Perhaps a little less ODS ODS screeching Glitterati Mar 2014 #16

I've decided to give the bots a free pass, after much thought Rex Mar 2014 #41

Not when they abuse those on the same side Glitterati Mar 2014 #44

I mean here on DU, where everyone is already going to vote for a Dem anyway. Rex Mar 2014 #47

I just ignore the RAH RAH posts Glitterati Mar 2014 #52

Only bashing the President and all Democrats except for Elizabeth Warren... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #150

Awwww, you poor thing Glitterati Mar 2014 #152

OOOPS .....must have struck a nerve....you just let down the curtain... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #155

You should try some research Glitterati Mar 2014 #156

I asked a question....which democrats do you support? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #160

And, tell me, exactly Glitterati Mar 2014 #161

"Can't we all just get along?"� Rodney King, ca. 1992 nt brush Mar 2014 #130

It was the young Obamacrats who didn't show up to vote in 2010 dflprincess Mar 2014 #212

No we don't think that treestar Mar 2014 #24

There it is: RobertEarl Mar 2014 #27

but the real truth IS he IS doing everything he can....he is not "the One" there is no One perfect VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #48

I don't know, back in the day we called them Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #134

You did not respond to the point treestar Mar 2014 #200

Your posts are most often well reasoned, thanks. lumpy Mar 2014 #36

Oh ffs, how many times do we have to say it... cui bono Mar 2014 #53

If they don't use that narrative, they have nothing to be outraged about. Rex Mar 2014 #57

And every single one, too treestar Mar 2014 #201

I will bet you that I use any derogatory terms far less than you do. cui bono Mar 2014 #219

Boring. treestar Mar 2014 #250

Then stop complaining about it. Better yet, stop doing it. cui bono Mar 2014 #288

You lost me with "haters". 840high Mar 2014 #125

What do you call those that hate all Democrats except for Elizabeth Warren VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #154

And, I call that a childish lack of critical thinking n/t Glitterati Mar 2014 #159

then please enlighten us about the Democrats that you support..... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #162

ROFL, repeating Glitterati Mar 2014 #165

Yes I am repeating....and calling a woman honey is sexist too by the way VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #166

Sure I could Glitterati Mar 2014 #168

I don't believe you..... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #170

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #171

For the last time...I am NOT your "honey"... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #174

Classic n/t Glitterati Mar 2014 #175

You damn skippy I am! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #179

In case you don't understand yet Glitterati Mar 2014 #184

Of Course not.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #194

Might as well give up on this dual conversation. She is not an adult anymore than the rest lumpy Mar 2014 #204

Who do you actually support? treestar Mar 2014 #202

Someone didn't get far in trying to shut you off. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #32

ROFL, and 0-6 Glitterati Mar 2014 #38

I think it means they can't alert for 24 hours. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #187

Awww, too bad! n/t Glitterati Mar 2014 #189

Awww someone got a sadz! Rex Mar 2014 #49

Actually it's interesting Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #34

Precisely...we aren't the ones claiming PBO can fix everything with a stroke of the pen. nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #54

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #60

Ya... Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #72

This! mcar Mar 2014 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Mar 2014 #40

This is the wrong tactic to take. cui bono Mar 2014 #46

^^^ THAT is pure unadulterated BUNK! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #50

That is rich. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #51

What an articulate, well thought out, reasoned and detailed response. cui bono Mar 2014 #55

that is all the words necessary for that boatload of tripe! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #63

No it's not. Scootaloo Mar 2014 #68

Yes it is....see the next post...perhaps it covers you too! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #69

Thank you. woo me with science Mar 2014 #97

I'm Cornholio! LOL! neverforget Mar 2014 #129

I need TP for my bunghole. n/t QC Mar 2014 #213

Are you threatening me? hehehe neverforget Mar 2014 #215

I never "compared" anyone to Lyndon LaRouche. VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #167

those are not links to OP's I have ever written.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #169

Yeah, I could link to individual posts Scootaloo Mar 2014 #233

And claims there are lots of duers who "hate every democrat except Elizabeth warren" Doctor_J Mar 2014 #222

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Mar 2014 #108

Thank you! Excellent synopsis! Glitterati Mar 2014 #58

Or HATE HATE HATE! Rex Mar 2014 #65

Irony completely unrecognized Glitterati Mar 2014 #78

A conversation cannot be had when one side(?) screams Bots, pompom wavers or uses lumpy Mar 2014 #235

You said it very well. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #73

I know the way I'm going about changing it Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #85

The only problem with mass ignore woo me with science Mar 2014 #87

That was a line I walked for a while Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #89

+1, This has become the emblem of the Obamabots for a reason: Marr Mar 2014 #105

You do not have permission to use that emoticon Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #115

Pardon me-- I should've added the legal notations. Marr Mar 2014 #118

... woo me with science Mar 2014 #210

Hehe... cui bono Mar 2014 #220

LOL Oilwellian Mar 2014 #263

Yeah right treestar Mar 2014 #257

Then argue the policy. It's very simple. cui bono Mar 2014 #285

You owe Obama an apology Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #287

I.O.Obama. cui bono Mar 2014 #290

cui bono is not an apologist. n/t QC Mar 2014 #291

This post would have been more believable without the gratuitous insults. (nt) Skinner Mar 2014 #56

This sad meme of there are more Obama haters on this site than Obama supporters Rex Mar 2014 #59

I have to check the name on the glass door at the entrance many days! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #93

88.999% of liberals approve of Obama Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #96

You know, I've read that over the years and it is one reason I cannot swallow Rex Mar 2014 #98

The hate Obama crowd is pretty slim here Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #101

Very good point. Rex Mar 2014 #104

Look at the responses to any of Manny's threads Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #109

It would be nice if we could stop using Third Way framing woo me with science Mar 2014 #110

Oh no....they are around.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #120

+10000 JoePhilly Mar 2014 #114

it would be a nice idea to get together at least to fight ALEC G_j Mar 2014 #76

I get what you are saying, BUT!!! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #80

Definite gang behavior. Glitterati Mar 2014 #82

lol Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #124

Not what I said or did Glitterati Mar 2014 #147

Overblown condescension, etc... Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #176

OK, sure Glitterati Mar 2014 #178

Quite. nt Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #191

Irony Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #207

You know what I'm thinking ? You just love to keep using the Obamabot reference against lumpy Mar 2014 #236

If I am called an Obamabot, it will not upset me, do I think everything he does is right and without Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #95

All us Obamabots will be voting straight Dem tickets. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #112

And Some Of Us Who Are Not Will Be Too ... WillyT Mar 2014 #128

Indeed. Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #133

key word: "some" JoePhilly Mar 2014 #148

Let Me Make It Clear For Ya... I Will Be... But Everybody's Voting Frachise Belongs To Them... WillyT Mar 2014 #153

What threat did I make? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #180

More Carrots... Less Sticks... WillyT Mar 2014 #243

Be sure to apply that advice to your OPs. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #245

I Know And Realize That Sometimes The Truth Feels Like A Stick... WillyT Mar 2014 #247

LOL ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #248

And some of us don't HAVE a Democrat on the ballot Glitterati Mar 2014 #183

Then help out somewhere that does. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #244

I don't do 'the Straight' anything, I vote for Democrats in a decidedly gay way Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #265

Or you just go down the ticket and fill in all the Dem boxes you can. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #269

Indeed. Those of us who exhibit 'critical thinking'. lumpy Mar 2014 #208

Irrational thinking and politics just don't mix. Or rather, they shouldn't. DireStrike Mar 2014 #127

If you ask me, hero worship Glitterati Mar 2014 #188

Yeah, I can't really think of a USE for it. There is apparently a need, though. DireStrike Mar 2014 #190

I think we can probably use Bush as an epithet Glitterati Mar 2014 #192

I think the 'Obamabots" are dangerous in that they work to prevent the type of self-reflection the Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #132

I think you are flat out wrong. Skidmore Mar 2014 #145

So what, do they criticize in private? Where is the self-reflection occurring? When does Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #151

Also, not to be too adversarial, but I find the implication that one who is critical of the Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #157

Most of us could not voice our criticisms with enough vitriol to be interesting here. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #186

Accurate JoePhilly! flamingdem Mar 2014 #231

Excellent posts. nt woo me with science Mar 2014 #211

They are also hastening the demise of the party by cheering for or excusing Doctor_J Mar 2014 #224

Which explains Obama's 2012 lanslide. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #240

Obama supporters on this site range from Vattel Mar 2014 #140

The tone of your OP: we, the supporters of the Democratic President are the 'others' Whisp Mar 2014 #181

"Obamabots" has no place in civil discourse, cheapdate Mar 2014 #203

Exactly. This only causes resentment as is to be expected. I am convinced people this sort of lumpy Mar 2014 #209

Do you think that's why people use ODS, hater, Paulbot, firebagger or emoprog? n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #221

Perhaps lumpy Mar 2014 #232

What makes you so certain of one but not the other? cui bono Mar 2014 #237

A Rec for One of the Funiest Threads fascisthunter Mar 2014 #214

He could have stood on his head for 8 years and still been better than mcnut or prancy horseface rom lonestarnot Mar 2014 #226

Randroid Libertarian Putinista K&R Fumesucker Mar 2014 #234

obamabots are those that condemned Bush but support Obama on the same policies. politicman Mar 2014 #238

Can you imagine ProSense Mar 2014 #241

Good reference Pro flamingdem Mar 2014 #271

An Incoherent Harper's Essay Suggests There's No Difference Between Obama and Republicans ProSense Mar 2014 #242

What cute little word would you use to describe yourself in the political arena? NCTraveler Mar 2014 #246

This post was hidden by jury decision L0oniX Mar 2014 #262

I get what you mean, but most of the time, its the Obama bots who swarm and attack other duers, not quinnox Mar 2014 #268

Not even close.... Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #274

Thanks for this. nt peace13 Mar 2014 #278

Yep, enough is enough. nt Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #279

WOW..... peace13 Mar 2014 #277

Congratulations.... peace13 Mar 2014 #276

Mirror mirror on the wall RobertEarl Mar 2014 #284

Nice call out! peace13 Mar 2014 #289