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BlueStreak

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91. With respect, a 32-page white paper is not the same as a list of core principles

Tue Mar 25, 2014, 09:07 PM

Mar 2014

It just doesn't have the impact and too much is lost by all the weasel-wording that goes into negotiating the platform. It is so watered down that nobody gives it any attention. A simple one-page list of the things that just about all Democrats (and Americans in general) can agree on, which draws sharp contrast with the Republicans, would have much greater impact.

Obama came into office with big electoral college numbers, but he couldn't point to any real mandate because he never really said much of anything that he was really going to do. He made various comments along the way, but never really offered a succinct plan to the people, ergo no mandate for implementing that plan. And the bigger problem is that the Senators and Congressmen don't have any clear message for the people.

This is modern political science. The beltway goofs think that the best way to get elected is to be vague about everything and just be really good at slandering your opponents. That may be the best way to win, but it is not the best way to govern because nobody has a mandate that is acknowledged widely.

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"We Don't Need Two Wall Street Parties" Markos responds to Third Way attack at Politico. [View all] madfloridian Mar 2014 OP

thanks for this. k and r bbgrunt Mar 2014 #1

I like what else he said in the subject of the post. madfloridian Mar 2014 #2

When you have two political parties sulphurdunn Mar 2014 #65

HUMONGOUS K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #3

k&r. nt antigop Mar 2014 #4

So, if they disagree with you they're Third Way? jazzimov Mar 2014 #5

Perfect example. madfloridian Mar 2014 #7

And that's not what the OP or Markos said or even inferred rpannier Mar 2014 #20

Are you suggesting that those who call themselves Third Way are actually lying and are not really Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #21

Not necessarily, most who disagree with economic populism and favor the financial elite Dragonfli Mar 2014 #34

Do you have any idea what's going on? nt ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2014 #56

You are the perfect example. Rex Mar 2014 #58

Well maybe you should have read the post... Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #59

no, they're third way because they fucking belong to Third Way.. frylock Mar 2014 #62

"Two Wall Street Parties" Succinct bobduca Mar 2014 #6

Good choice of title. madfloridian Mar 2014 #37

3rd way = republican nt msongs Mar 2014 #8

^ that right there +1000 SwankyXomb Mar 2014 #12

+1 leftstreet Mar 2014 #82

"We don't need two Wall Street parties..." zeemike Mar 2014 #9

Yep, it pays very well. madfloridian Mar 2014 #48

especially if there is a return from both parties on your Supersedeas Mar 2014 #101

That's gonna leave a mark. Lasher Mar 2014 #10

It isn't about throwing people out of the tent. Is it about the tent having a purpose. BlueStreak Mar 2014 #11

Very thoughtful post. madfloridian Mar 2014 #16

I'm all for this excellent list of Democrat principles posted by BlueStreak.n/t Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #45

Agreed 100% truebrit71 Mar 2014 #74

Excellent! JDPriestly Mar 2014 #75

Wonderful work on your part. truedelphi Mar 2014 #80

Nice post, I would also tell the 3rd way people that our tent is for 99% of the people, A Simple Game Mar 2014 #84

Gee, that sounds familiar Mnpaul Mar 2014 #90

With respect, a 32-page white paper is not the same as a list of core principles BlueStreak Mar 2014 #91

Beautiful post. woo me with science Mar 2014 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Mar 2014 #95

well stated Jake2413 Mar 2014 #13

K&R... elzenmahn Mar 2014 #14

k&r thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #15

An excellent finish UP the Third Way! fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #17

fabulous!! for far too long - a tiny fringe has been representing mainstream Democrats as the fringe Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #18

I agree. madfloridian Mar 2014 #31

Of all people to attack, Third Way goes after the one with the most integrity. QuestForSense Mar 2014 #19

''If you’re genuinely a Democrat.'' DeSwiss Mar 2014 #22

Markos doesn't sound as republican as some suggested on DU just days ago. Hmmm. adirondacker Mar 2014 #23

He's not at all. madfloridian Mar 2014 #27

We don't need it awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #24

Refreshing and hopeful Oilwellian Mar 2014 #25

Yes, he does. madfloridian Mar 2014 #35

From Page 2 of his response....wow! madfloridian Mar 2014 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author mvd Mar 2014 #28

This 3rd way shit has got to go, even more destructive to workers/families than DLC... pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #29

K&R mvd Mar 2014 #30

We need to remember what happens.... madfloridian Mar 2014 #32

Yep, I agree mvd Mar 2014 #33

I don't really accept that argument BlueStreak Mar 2014 #36

"Most of them have never had the opportunity to vote for a real Democrat in their entire lives" madfloridian Mar 2014 #39

It is a meessaging problem and it is a CANDIDATE problem BlueStreak Mar 2014 #47

Kos' guiding directive has always been: Maedhros Mar 2014 #72

Think conservative talk radio. How do we get effective progressive voices into the mix? JDPriestly Mar 2014 #76

The reason right-wing talk radio is effective is because the Republican's target demographic Maedhros Mar 2014 #89

Good post mvd Mar 2014 #63

It may have an IMMEDIATE effect. We really should try. BlueStreak Mar 2014 #73

Sadly I agree with you mvd Mar 2014 #86

K&R nt FloriTexan Mar 2014 #38

When I was a kid, Third Way types were called 'Reagan Democrats' because Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #40

Kos is being ProSense Mar 2014 #41

You pick the most liberal Democrat who can win theboss Mar 2014 #50

It's not "hard" ProSense Mar 2014 #71

Ha. In his response at DKos to Third Way he puts a pic of Elizabeth Warren and himself. madfloridian Mar 2014 #42

BIG K & R L0oniX Mar 2014 #43

K&R! G_j Mar 2014 #44

K&R While Markos can be a bit of a putz sometimes. This discussion nails proverbial head (aches). laserhaas Mar 2014 #46

K&R me b zola Mar 2014 #49

K&R Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #51

"folding up the big tent" Kermitt Gribble Mar 2014 #52

Yup. FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #68

du rec. xchrom Mar 2014 #53

Come on, people! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #54

DURec.....and a KMA to the Corporatist Republicans masquerading as 3rd Way. bvar22 Mar 2014 #55

Long live the memory of Paul Wellstone... ReRe Mar 2014 #98

K&R Tippy Mar 2014 #57

One small correction nxylas Mar 2014 #60

..... madfloridian Mar 2014 #64

Ka-Pow! blackspade Mar 2014 #61

Were I grading sulphurdunn Mar 2014 #66

BIG K&R swilton Mar 2014 #67

So nice to finally hear this. Phlem Mar 2014 #69

What does this remind me of? Oh yeah: Revanchist Mar 2014 #70

It should be.. dotymed Mar 2014 #77

Better yet "No fifth columnists need apply" bobduca Mar 2014 #97

We won't HAVE two Wall Street parties. If the (D) continue to pander to Wall St, it will disappear Doctor_J Mar 2014 #78

K & R dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #79

K & R. Facebook cartoon about the broken political system: truedelphi Mar 2014 #81

DURec leftstreet Mar 2014 #83

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #85

Thanks for this great post madfloridian.. 2banon Mar 2014 #87

Right on! Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #88

"The fact that the party is in the midst of a dramatic reorientation... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #92

Way to go, Markos! psiman Mar 2014 #93

Huge, huge, K&R. How refreshing, and what a hopeful sign, woo me with science Mar 2014 #96

K&R ReRe Mar 2014 #99

knr Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #100