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In reply to the discussion: Obamabots: Not Our Enemy: Cut Them Some Slack [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)242. An Incoherent Harper's Essay Suggests There's No Difference Between Obama and Republicans
An Incoherent Harper's Essay Suggests There's No Difference Between Obama and Republicans
Left-wing naivete about right-wing radicalism
BY MIKE KONCZAL
A Democratic presidents economic agenda is a failure, lost to business class acquiescence, the embrace of austerity, and an overall lack of vision.
This was the conclusion of The New Republic, summarizing Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the New Deal in May 1940. Though there were extraordinary accomplishments to acknowledge, the magazine understood that the New Deal was a failure in the central problem. That central problem was the economic question, and there, the Roosevelt administration had fail[ed] to discover or apply a genuine remedy for the stagnation of our economy and for unemployment. Beyond the failure of vision, it heeded business advice, at least in part, by trying to cut recovery expenditures and engage in other forms of austerity...In other words, being disappointed in Democratic presidents is what opinion editors refer to as evergreen content. Its always ready to go, and always applicable with a built-in audience. With this in mind, political scientist Adolph Reed has a cover story in the latest Harpers, Nothing Left (ungated), making the case against President Obama and for the idea that liberalism is currently exhausted.
Much of the text is focused on the well-rehearsed argument that President Obama is much more conservative than people understand...But Reed is making an argument that goes beyond the current Democratic Party, and there are three points worth exploring further.
Reed: With the two parties converging in policy
This is the kind of stuff that drives liberals up the wall, and for good reason. The two parties at this point are pushing two very different, ideological visions of the role of the state and the market. Ignore, for a second, cuts and expansions. Conservatives want to privatize Social Security, while liberals want it to remain a public program. Conservatives want to turn Medicare into a coupon to buy health insurance on exchanges, while liberals want to use Medicares footprint to control health-care costs. Liberals see a greater role for the federal government, for instance in absorbing the costs of a major expansion of Medicaid. Conservatives want to turn everything over to the states where it will be easier to starve and replace with private control. These arent minor differences...States taken over by conservatives have waged an all-out war on workers, reproductive health, and public goods. Meanwhile liberal states and cities have moved to expand paid sick-leave, minimum wages, and reproductive health. Even the so-called culture wars have a hard economic edge. Reed dismisses feminism as a set of fake cultural politics. Yet health-care reform has eliminated woman as a pre-existing condition, and minimum wage hikes, which disproportionately benefit women of color, and equal pay are in the forefront.
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Reed: ....the areas of fundamental disagreements that separate (the two parties) become too arcane and too remote from most peoples experience to inspire any commitment, much less popular action.
No. Just a casual glance out the window shows that the differences in policy have created massive popular actions. From the Tea Party organizing against expanding access to health-care and efforts to fight the recession, to undocumented workers organizing to pass immigration reform, the actual differences in play get people on the street.
Theres a genuine issue here for liberals. One positive thing that the New Republic saw in the New Deal back in 1940 was the idea that the changes in social insurance and labor laws were self-enforcing, and that it is improbable that these more permanent changes will be or even can be destroyed by any new administration. (They were half-right; labor was decimated seven years later under Taft-Hartley.)
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http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116962/adolph-reeds-harpers-essay-about-obama-naive-about-tea-party
Left-wing naivete about right-wing radicalism
BY MIKE KONCZAL
A Democratic presidents economic agenda is a failure, lost to business class acquiescence, the embrace of austerity, and an overall lack of vision.
This was the conclusion of The New Republic, summarizing Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the New Deal in May 1940. Though there were extraordinary accomplishments to acknowledge, the magazine understood that the New Deal was a failure in the central problem. That central problem was the economic question, and there, the Roosevelt administration had fail[ed] to discover or apply a genuine remedy for the stagnation of our economy and for unemployment. Beyond the failure of vision, it heeded business advice, at least in part, by trying to cut recovery expenditures and engage in other forms of austerity...In other words, being disappointed in Democratic presidents is what opinion editors refer to as evergreen content. Its always ready to go, and always applicable with a built-in audience. With this in mind, political scientist Adolph Reed has a cover story in the latest Harpers, Nothing Left (ungated), making the case against President Obama and for the idea that liberalism is currently exhausted.
Much of the text is focused on the well-rehearsed argument that President Obama is much more conservative than people understand...But Reed is making an argument that goes beyond the current Democratic Party, and there are three points worth exploring further.
Reed: With the two parties converging in policy
This is the kind of stuff that drives liberals up the wall, and for good reason. The two parties at this point are pushing two very different, ideological visions of the role of the state and the market. Ignore, for a second, cuts and expansions. Conservatives want to privatize Social Security, while liberals want it to remain a public program. Conservatives want to turn Medicare into a coupon to buy health insurance on exchanges, while liberals want to use Medicares footprint to control health-care costs. Liberals see a greater role for the federal government, for instance in absorbing the costs of a major expansion of Medicaid. Conservatives want to turn everything over to the states where it will be easier to starve and replace with private control. These arent minor differences...States taken over by conservatives have waged an all-out war on workers, reproductive health, and public goods. Meanwhile liberal states and cities have moved to expand paid sick-leave, minimum wages, and reproductive health. Even the so-called culture wars have a hard economic edge. Reed dismisses feminism as a set of fake cultural politics. Yet health-care reform has eliminated woman as a pre-existing condition, and minimum wage hikes, which disproportionately benefit women of color, and equal pay are in the forefront.
<...>
Reed: ....the areas of fundamental disagreements that separate (the two parties) become too arcane and too remote from most peoples experience to inspire any commitment, much less popular action.
No. Just a casual glance out the window shows that the differences in policy have created massive popular actions. From the Tea Party organizing against expanding access to health-care and efforts to fight the recession, to undocumented workers organizing to pass immigration reform, the actual differences in play get people on the street.
Theres a genuine issue here for liberals. One positive thing that the New Republic saw in the New Deal back in 1940 was the idea that the changes in social insurance and labor laws were self-enforcing, and that it is improbable that these more permanent changes will be or even can be destroyed by any new administration. (They were half-right; labor was decimated seven years later under Taft-Hartley.)
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http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116962/adolph-reeds-harpers-essay-about-obama-naive-about-tea-party
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Worshipping the promotion of the third-way, which causes the degredation of the global environment..
NoOneMan
Mar 2014
#2
So George Washington wasn't "the One"? so Jefferson wasn't "the One"? so Lincoln wasn't "the One"?
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#31
Comparing Obama to any of these men is like comparing Justin Beiber to John Lennon...
Demo_Chris
Mar 2014
#70
I would have said the same for your ludicrous claim. Obama might not be another Bush...
Demo_Chris
Mar 2014
#84
Oh he isn't? Watch and see what happens AFTER his administration ends...
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#86
Washington not only physically put his life on the line, he did something more...
Demo_Chris
Mar 2014
#261
We know what they have done. Washington and Jefferson risked their lives, Obama broke promises...
Demo_Chris
Mar 2014
#275
The problem is that there is no aggregate progress, through unity or otherwise
NoOneMan
Mar 2014
#66
That is YOUR cataclysmic interpretation...history of this country does not bear that out.
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#75
Sorry I disagree with your stance....You want the Green party....they don't mind One issue voters..
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#135
Anthropocene. 6th Extinction. Ocean Acidification. Anthropomorphic climate change
NoOneMan
Mar 2014
#199
No I didn't but as I said it is not the ONLY thing i am interested in...
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#217
but you are NOT one so you don't get to decide what THEY want to be called...get it?
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#77
Determining/changing one's position on major issues that affect humanity
woo me with science
Mar 2014
#193
possibly they don't like it because it insinuates that they are "robots" duh...
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#35
What do you call those that frequent DU but do not support ANY Democrats at all
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#164
What do you call those I JUST described...because LIKE it or not THEY are here....
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#218
So you believe this site was created to allow people to BASH the Democrats?
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#270
Again, please show me how I "have nothing at all good to say about Democrats".
GoCubsGo
Mar 2014
#272
Get over this idea that all Dems who support Obama are Obamabots who have a 'singular vision of
lumpy
Mar 2014
#8
Being called an Obamabot is not a bad thing? I see. What can make it bad are nasty reactions
lumpy
Mar 2014
#21
Sorry if you thought my 'assumption' was my questioning your Demo creds. Of course I know
lumpy
Mar 2014
#61
These have got to be the saddest, most desperate talking points of all.
woo me with science
Mar 2014
#20
and then claim "They are the true Progressives" and they are the "real DU'ers"
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#45
"that the president did not renew his proposal to cut Social Security benefits."
woo me with science
Mar 2014
#143
He said much MORE than that...if THAT is the only thing you saw....then there is your problem
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#146
Horseshit. A large majority of self-identified liberals and democrats have voiced their approval ...
11 Bravo
Mar 2014
#126
Only bashing the President and all Democrats except for Elizabeth Warren...
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#150
OOOPS .....must have struck a nerve....you just let down the curtain...
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#155
but the real truth IS he IS doing everything he can....he is not "the One" there is no One perfect
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#48
What do you call those that hate all Democrats except for Elizabeth Warren
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#154
Yes I am repeating....and calling a woman honey is sexist too by the way
VanillaRhapsody
Mar 2014
#166
Might as well give up on this dual conversation. She is not an adult anymore than the rest
lumpy
Mar 2014
#204
Precisely...we aren't the ones claiming PBO can fix everything with a stroke of the pen. nt
msanthrope
Mar 2014
#54
And claims there are lots of duers who "hate every democrat except Elizabeth warren"
Doctor_J
Mar 2014
#222
A conversation cannot be had when one side(?) screams Bots, pompom wavers or uses
lumpy
Mar 2014
#235
You know what I'm thinking ? You just love to keep using the Obamabot reference against
lumpy
Mar 2014
#236
If I am called an Obamabot, it will not upset me, do I think everything he does is right and without
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#95
Let Me Make It Clear For Ya... I Will Be... But Everybody's Voting Frachise Belongs To Them...
WillyT
Mar 2014
#153
I don't do 'the Straight' anything, I vote for Democrats in a decidedly gay way
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#265
Irrational thinking and politics just don't mix. Or rather, they shouldn't.
DireStrike
Mar 2014
#127
Yeah, I can't really think of a USE for it. There is apparently a need, though.
DireStrike
Mar 2014
#190
I think the 'Obamabots" are dangerous in that they work to prevent the type of self-reflection the
Ed Suspicious
Mar 2014
#132
So what, do they criticize in private? Where is the self-reflection occurring? When does
Ed Suspicious
Mar 2014
#151
Also, not to be too adversarial, but I find the implication that one who is critical of the
Ed Suspicious
Mar 2014
#157
Most of us could not voice our criticisms with enough vitriol to be interesting here.
JoePhilly
Mar 2014
#186
The tone of your OP: we, the supporters of the Democratic President are the 'others'
Whisp
Mar 2014
#181
Exactly. This only causes resentment as is to be expected. I am convinced people this sort of
lumpy
Mar 2014
#209
Do you think that's why people use ODS, hater, Paulbot, firebagger or emoprog? n/t
cui bono
Mar 2014
#221
He could have stood on his head for 8 years and still been better than mcnut or prancy horseface rom
lonestarnot
Mar 2014
#226
obamabots are those that condemned Bush but support Obama on the same policies.
politicman
Mar 2014
#238
An Incoherent Harper's Essay Suggests There's No Difference Between Obama and Republicans
ProSense
Mar 2014
#242
What cute little word would you use to describe yourself in the political arena?
NCTraveler
Mar 2014
#246