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Jgarrick

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15. It depends. Has the cage been baited? If it has, that bear will stroll right in.

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:28 AM

Mar 2014

Of course they're not aware of what the cage is for, but they avoid entrapment none the less.

The animal isn't avoiding entrapment as such; they're simply avoiding something unknown to them. Strange=danger is a strong survival mechanism.

Try introducing something else such as (just for instance) an automobile into an area in which animals have never seen them...for the most part they're not going to just walk right up to it, they'll avoid it. The design of the object in question is utterly irrelevant.

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I hate all zoos, circuses and animal amusement parks, such as Sea World. [View all] MoonRiver Mar 2014 OP

tragically, G_j Mar 2014 #1

I wonder if the animals would agree that life in captivity is worth living. MoonRiver Mar 2014 #2

I think the point is that in some cases that's not a choice; not trying to breed them in capitivity el_bryanto Mar 2014 #7

There's no need to wonder, given that non-human animals are incapable of expressing or even forming Jgarrick Mar 2014 #11

Do wild non-humans voluntarily run into a cage designed to remove them from their families MoonRiver Mar 2014 #13

It depends. Has the cage been baited? If it has, that bear will stroll right in. Jgarrick Mar 2014 #15

Sometimes FreeJoe Mar 2014 #63

The local schnauzer seems pretty content with his life... Hip_Flask Mar 2014 #43

Scientists disagree with you - TBF Mar 2014 #67

The better answer is to work to preserve their habitat. Sienna86 Mar 2014 #20

I absolutely agree with that G_j Mar 2014 #23

I remember the last time I went to a circus gollygee Mar 2014 #3

We are a wretched species. --nt CrispyQ Mar 2014 #4

I'm sorry you feel that way. hueymahl Mar 2014 #21

even worse, I think G_j Mar 2014 #25

It's a realistic way to live. MoonRiver Mar 2014 #40

+100 Duppers Mar 2014 #44

No, not in denial hueymahl Mar 2014 #46

To be honest, I have given up. MoonRiver Mar 2014 #51

It can be "pure evil," or close enough. Not always though. DirkGently Mar 2014 #5

"hate all" reddread Mar 2014 #6

Yup... You took it a bit to far. Agschmid Mar 2014 #8

Well, you may not be totally informed about the abuse that takes place in most of those places. MoonRiver Mar 2014 #9

habitat destruction is the one thing that matters most reddread Mar 2014 #12

+1 Agschmid Mar 2014 #39

Yes indeed--I watched "Blackfish" last week on Netflix librechik Mar 2014 #10

I recommend the recent book "Death at Seaworld." kairos12 Mar 2014 #22

There are some great humane zoos naturallyselected Mar 2014 #14

My point is whether it is right for us to enslave animals because we are curious about them MoonRiver Mar 2014 #16

I think "enslave" is a bit too anthropomorphic a term. DirkGently Mar 2014 #28

I don't know why you think the term "enslavement" applies strictly to humans. MoonRiver Mar 2014 #33

For the same reason "tax evasion" does? DirkGently Mar 2014 #42

The logic is the reality of what happens to animals at the hands of their human captors. MoonRiver Mar 2014 #45

That's physical cruelty. Not "enslavement." DirkGently Mar 2014 #49

Well, I completely disagree with you. MoonRiver Mar 2014 #50

Circuses & amusement parks are not the question. DirkGently Mar 2014 #62

Pretty soon there will be no large wild animals. leftyladyfrommo Mar 2014 #17

Sounds like the Copenhagen Zoo. MoonRiver Mar 2014 #18

No they don't. leftyladyfrommo Mar 2014 #19

What we need to do is stop the killing and destruction of the habitat. MoonRiver Mar 2014 #24

I don't much care about the humans. leftyladyfrommo Mar 2014 #29

I completely agree with you. MoonRiver Mar 2014 #30

Even if we stopped ALL fossil fuel consumption today NickB79 Mar 2014 #72

... CFLDem Mar 2014 #26

I don't. LWolf Mar 2014 #27

As a zoologist, I've got the zoo boo's, too. HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #31

it is where my kids learned to love and appreciate animals other than dogs and cats dembotoz Mar 2014 #32

Key words being "educated populace" LordGlenconner Mar 2014 #61

knr...I think most of the "research and preservation" by some zoos is PR... joeybee12 Mar 2014 #34

Exactly. Sea World said the same b.s. until CNN revealed the ugly truth. MoonRiver Mar 2014 #36

I'm with you - we took our kids into nature, not to those places. polichick Mar 2014 #35

But, but chimpanzees wearing cowboy outfits are funny! tclambert Mar 2014 #37

When is the last time you were at Seaworld? yeoman6987 Mar 2014 #38

Have you seen "Blackfish?" MoonRiver Mar 2014 #41

Haters gotta hate Android3.14 Mar 2014 #47

I'm not so glad that you seem to be ok with the torture and abuse of animals. MoonRiver Mar 2014 #48

I'm unhappy that you apply opinions on others that they have never expressed. Android3.14 Mar 2014 #54

I've never liked zoos or circuses or anything in which wild animals are captive. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #52

Dislike, is such a great word Android3.14 Mar 2014 #56

Do you hate someone who rapes and kills a small child? MoonRiver Mar 2014 #58

I'd incarcerate the person Android3.14 Mar 2014 #60

And, in a strange way, this parallels what is also happening to humanity, humans RKP5637 Mar 2014 #53

Agreed. As another here said, it would be best to preserve Triana Mar 2014 #55

Zoos are a relic of the era when nature was to be conquered .. Vox Moi Mar 2014 #57

That is true in many cases, but... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #59

In what ways are really good zoos... FreeJoe Mar 2014 #64

Not all circus companies use animals, the largest and by far most lucrative does Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #65

Agreed. It breaks my heart to see innocent animals imprisoned. nt Zorra Mar 2014 #66

I worked at a conservation-oriented zoo, and I will firmly say that they're about more than WatermelonRat Mar 2014 #68

That sounds more like a wildlife sanctuary, which I completely support. MoonRiver Mar 2014 #69

It wasn't quite a wildlife sanctuary, though many of the exhibits could pass for one. WatermelonRat Mar 2014 #70

That is good stuff. And very much needed. DirkGently Mar 2014 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author CFLDem Mar 2014 #71

I visited the St. Louis Zoo last week DefenseLawyer Mar 2014 #73