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As A Former Law Enforcement Officer, My Impressions Of The Martin Case. [View all] RBInMaine Mar 2012 OP

Well said. The police response puzzles me more than the crime itself arcane1 Mar 2012 #1

Well, maybe not that sloppy, but it looks pretty damn sloppy nontheless. I hear ya. RBInMaine Mar 2012 #4

It's not sloppiness if there's an agenda behind it. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #95

Not sloppy. sendero Mar 2012 #32

son of a judge magical thyme Mar 2012 #72

His dad retired to FL jeff47 Mar 2012 #93

I'm with you. I seriously hope and pray that the Justice Department launches a full-fledged coalition_unwilling Mar 2012 #79

One thing: Zimmerman was not affiliated with any official Neighborhood Watch program. baldguy Mar 2012 #2

Just going on the reports I heard on the media that he was the Watch Captain. Still, RBInMaine Mar 2012 #3

RB, I was listening to an interview with one of the founding members of the Neighborhood Ecumenist Mar 2012 #7

OK Thanks. Well, ego-stroking and power-hunger intentions certainly. Very bad judgement and for RBInMaine Mar 2012 #8

He was a self-appointed watch captain. As far as I can recall rustydog Mar 2012 #37

I've set up neighborhood watch's for my dept. at no time was anyone allowed to patrol alone Historic NY Mar 2012 #111

Zimmerman wasn't affiliated with the official Neighborhood Watch but his HOA approved of his patrols yardwork Mar 2012 #86

Actually despite the earlier reports, there was a neighborhood watch group csziggy Mar 2012 #105

THANK YOU RBInMAaine, Thank you so much! I am so delighted and pleased to hear the word Ecumenist Mar 2012 #5

Thanks. Many questions to clear up, but these are my impressions based on what I have heard and RBInMaine Mar 2012 #9

Well, I just heard that the family is going to do just that- sue the HOA of the Ecumenist Mar 2012 #17

That's what I've always thought, too. randome Mar 2012 #36

Thank you for your educated opinion. It certainly matches my (totally uninformed!) opinion! MindandSoul Mar 2012 #6

Sanford City Manager has a website CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #10

Do you have a link to an article or video of this witness who claims that he saw Trayvon on top? yardwork Mar 2012 #87

the only reporting I have seen on this "witness" is from FOX grasswire Mar 2012 #122

The local Fox TV in Orlando CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #125

.....ok yardwork Mar 2012 #127

They sent a reporter and interviewed the witness on camera. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #128

The witness that won't give their name? yardwork Mar 2012 #129

Yes CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #130

I don't blame him. Zimmerman is still out there with a gun. yardwork Mar 2012 #131

And CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #132

Link? I've read articles that say they have a case, but none that say they will sue. yardwork Mar 2012 #133

Would you? CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #134

A kid that weighed 100 pounds less than Zimmerman was on top Rozlee Mar 2012 #112

Your observation makes sense. MD20 Mar 2012 #126

Thank you very much for your commentary MrScorpio Mar 2012 #11

kick grantcart Mar 2012 #12

Thank you, RBInMaine, nenagh Mar 2012 #13

Thanks for the summary and the informed opinion nt steve2470 Mar 2012 #14

I think you laid it out pretty well there. nt BootinUp Mar 2012 #15

Thanks very much for your analysis on this. freshwest Mar 2012 #16

You state that Zimmerman had a right to arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #18

No, that is not "stalking." Stalking is the REPEATED following of someone with an intent to RBInMaine Mar 2012 #26

Thank you for clarifying that for me because arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #38

Don't take "experts" word for everything...look it up yourself. MD20 Mar 2012 #90

Umm, you'd want to check the FL State and city statutes, not a dictionary. X_Digger Mar 2012 #94

Well, since RB didn't give a reference, how are we to critique his analysis properly? MD20 Mar 2012 #100

A dictionary is rarely the first place to look when talking legal matters. X_Digger Mar 2012 #102

accepting information without references is even more foolish! MD20 Mar 2012 #104

Well it's a good thing I'm only a passive arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #109

What I believe he was clarifying for me arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #97

Belief? Lets hope he posts a reference so we will KNOW! MD20 Mar 2012 #103

The dictionary isn't a legal document jeff47 Mar 2012 #98

Show me the citation pleas...I would like to see it for myself! MD20 Mar 2012 #101

So, your google works for dictionaries, but not FL Law? (nt) jeff47 Mar 2012 #106

The legal definition would vary from the common usage csziggy Mar 2012 #107

Here is Florida's law on stalking! Read and make up your own mind! MD20 Mar 2012 #113

So Florida's law may not require repeated instances csziggy Mar 2012 #114

The legal definition of "repeatedly" can occur within minutes under Floridia law. MD20 Mar 2012 #115

So given that definition, couldn't a Grand arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #119

I would hope so, but... MD20 Mar 2012 #121

I would hope so too. I don't think we will arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #124

Why do you say he had the right to pursue? EFerrari Mar 2012 #19

Any citizen has the right to move around their neighborhood Bucky Mar 2012 #20

I think you pretty much have it right. To follow at a distance, watch, and even ask RBInMaine Mar 2012 #28

Yes and No... Pachamama Mar 2012 #70

They are protecting something. EFerrari Mar 2012 #92

Stalking another person is not just moving around your neighborhood. EFerrari Mar 2012 #39

Very true, snipers stalk their prey Rex Mar 2012 #42

Just in case some "expert" tries to tailor the definition of the word stalking MD20 Mar 2012 #91

Zimmerman did have the right to move around the area and even follow at a distance for at least RBInMaine Mar 2012 #27

Since Zimmerman's hobby was to call the police and because of the way he responded EFerrari Mar 2012 #40

But, eventually he did stalk the young man. Rex Mar 2012 #43

Ty for the commentary. caseymoz Mar 2012 #21

A word about following someone! MD20 Mar 2012 #22

I am placing blame for this incident on Zimmerman. What aren't you seeing here? Like it or not, RBInMaine Mar 2012 #29

One quote from your premise still bothers me! MD20 Mar 2012 #96

You have a shockingly poor grasp of law. jeff47 Mar 2012 #99

Unless you can back that statement up MD20 Mar 2012 #116

I don't have to back that up. Your posts stand on their own. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2012 #117

As does your uncertified rants and complaints,,,they too stand on their own. MD20 Mar 2012 #118

So here is what I don't understand. The police say they don't have enough evidence to IndyJones Mar 2012 #23

Absolutely. Good detectives should have been immediately called in with a VERY thorough RBInMaine Mar 2012 #31

Hard to know exactly what went through the cops' minds, but coalition_unwilling Mar 2012 #81

Thank you. Straw Man Mar 2012 #24

To what degree do you think the lack of evidence onestepforward Mar 2012 #25

The 911 tapes and witnesses still provide strong evidence of very bad judgement and RBInMaine Mar 2012 #30

Thank you for this information. onestepforward Mar 2012 #61

From what you have been able to discern, was any kind of forensic work done LuckyLib Mar 2012 #85

Good post CreekDog Mar 2012 #33

Your assertion that "he pursued Trayvon so Stand Your Ground does not apply" is mistaken. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #34

Imo, Zimmerman may get off but the police department will eat it in civil court. EFerrari Mar 2012 #41

That is always the case, SYG or not. X_Digger Mar 2012 #52

Yes sure, however SYG makes it more difficult to prosecute vigilantes. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #57

I don't think that it is 'a good idea to make it easier for sociopathic..' X_Digger Mar 2012 #58

this law has already applied. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #60

*sigh* Had the law been different, do you think the Sanford PD would be any more inclined.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #62

yeah under the prior common self defense standard they would have very likely had to arrest him Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #64

I'm having a hard time with this 'had to' business. X_Digger Mar 2012 #65

Of course they would. That's the whole point. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #66

The cops who looked the other way when a teenager beat a homeless black man? X_Digger Mar 2012 #68

Zimmerman's own lawyer says SYG doesn't apply csziggy Mar 2012 #110

I think you are being very generous DFW Mar 2012 #35

A correction, they did not take 72 hours to inform the family. That was the initial media report sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #51

Another point.. we only have a partial police report. X_Digger Mar 2012 #54

Good write up TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #44

"He even had the right to pursue Trayvon and ask him what he was up to" Old and In the Way Mar 2012 #45

Persue doesn't mean stop or detain. bluedigger Mar 2012 #48

that is what the right wngers are saying pasto76 Mar 2012 #55

I was just pointing out a fallacy. bluedigger Mar 2012 #56

Right on target. Eddie Haskell Mar 2012 #46

Refrain bottom line Mar 2012 #47

I wonder if the gated community was private property? If so, then a homeowner... Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #120

Manslaughter - detainment - full interview - forensics underpants Mar 2012 #49

an understatement tooeyeten Mar 2012 #50

Question... TeeYiYi Mar 2012 #53

If Zimmerman had a broken nose wouldn't it be bleeding profusely snagglepuss Mar 2012 #59

According to the police report, Zimmerman was treated on scene.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #67

Thanks. Though I have to wonder how profusely he was bleeding from the nose. snagglepuss Mar 2012 #69

+100 Excellent post. nt. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #63

broken nose mbuch64 Mar 2012 #71

Thanks! evilhime Mar 2012 #73

Good post loyalsister Mar 2012 #74

Excellent analysis. jopeli Mar 2012 #75

This is a well thought out and logical post. secondvariety Mar 2012 #76

Is Zimmerman's father a judge? I read that somewhere HockeyMom Mar 2012 #77

His father is a retired Virginia Magistrate Judge. X_Digger Mar 2012 #89

Some things still not make sense: angrychair Mar 2012 #78

Interesting insights - there's no way Zimmerman should be allowed to get off scot free. Initech Mar 2012 #80

I have maintained all along that at the very least there must be a case for "reckless homicide", or spicegal Mar 2012 #82

Emphatic K&R. How do you explain the cops' bungling? Personally, I think coalition_unwilling Mar 2012 #83

If Zimmermen was "pursuing" Trayvon , bvar22 Mar 2012 #84

Thank you for this analysis and your post. Why do you think the Sanford police department yardwork Mar 2012 #88

I appreciate your theories LittleGirl Mar 2012 #108

thanks for your insight as a law enforcement professional noiretextatique Mar 2012 #123

There is also and mistaken notion Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #135

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #136