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In reply to the discussion: President Obama defending the mistakes of the previous administration [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)10. Are you serious?
This was definitely a misstep
Don't know that it will necessarily destroy our GOTV efforts in November but he really didn't need to go there IMHO. Of course, we already know that Bush, Cheney, et al will not suffer any legal consequences over Iraq but PBO doesn't need to be the one justifying/apologising for it IMHO
Don't know that it will necessarily destroy our GOTV efforts in November but he really didn't need to go there IMHO. Of course, we already know that Bush, Cheney, et al will not suffer any legal consequences over Iraq but PBO doesn't need to be the one justifying/apologising for it IMHO
When it times for outrage: opposing is defending. You actually believe the following is going to "destroy our GOTV efforts in November"?
Moreover, Russia has pointed to Americas decision to go into Iraq as an example of Western hypocrisy. Now, it is true that the Iraq War was a subject of vigorous debate not just around the world, but in the United States as well. I participated in that debate and I opposed our military intervention there. But even in Iraq, America sought to work within the international system. We did not claim or annex Iraqs territory. We did not grab its resources for our own gain. Instead, we ended our war and left Iraq to its people and a fully sovereign Iraqi state that could make decisions about its own future.
Of course, neither the United States nor Europe are perfect in adherence to our ideals, nor do we claim to be the sole arbiter of what is right or wrong in the world. We are human, after all, and we face difficult choices about how to exercise our power. But part of what makes us different is that we welcome criticism, just as we welcome the responsibilities that come with global leadership.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/03/26/remarks-president-address-european-youth
Of course, neither the United States nor Europe are perfect in adherence to our ideals, nor do we claim to be the sole arbiter of what is right or wrong in the world. We are human, after all, and we face difficult choices about how to exercise our power. But part of what makes us different is that we welcome criticism, just as we welcome the responsibilities that come with global leadership.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/03/26/remarks-president-address-european-youth
There was in fact a process to work with the international community...right up until Bush violated all agreements. On that score, Bush's and Putin's invasions are illegal.
Obama did defend his own actions in Iraq: ending the war and leaving it a sovereign state.
HuffPo and those interested in giving Bush a pass love the headline: Obama Defends Iraq Invasion.
I mean, why the fuck else would anyone spin opposition to the invasion as defending it?
There is likely one other reason, but would anyone admit it: Thanks, Obama.
For once, the nonsense isn't winning the day except among some dead-enders.
Calm, Cool, and Collected, President Obama Schools ABC Reporter During Press Conference at The Hague
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024732240
That one went viral on Facebook.
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President Obama defending the mistakes of the previous administration [View all]
Harmony Blue
Mar 2014
OP
Then take it up with the increasing number of people who are finding it reprehensible.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#116
The 'You Did It Too' Line Taken Against Criticism Of Putin In Crimea, Ma'am
The Magistrate
Mar 2014
#3
If Explanation And Excuse Were Identical, Sir, We Would Not Have The Different Words
The Magistrate
Mar 2014
#69
Oh but We have a stake in the game, we just haven't figured out how to claim it. n/t
2banon
Mar 2014
#28
Whats disgraceful is you folks lying about what he was saying in order to trash him.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#36
Actually, CHINA took their resources. If you are referring to the oil. But they didn't actually take
KittyWampus
Mar 2014
#30
If only he had said "Go ahead Putin, we got Iraq, you get Crimea" then we'd win both chambers!
DanTex
Mar 2014
#37
Well, we have to "look forward" just like when he didn't prosecute the CIA torturers.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#39
I fail to follow the reasoning of those who thinks GOTV will or maybe fail in the
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#44
What has indication of campaigning got to do with murdering kittens, explain yourself.
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#64
Gotcha, you go and be safe and hope you dont come back as a kitten. No excuses.
Thinkingabout
Mar 2014
#91
If they think the President's statement (which the OP misrepresents) impacts turnout in 2014 ...
JoePhilly
Mar 2014
#53
Ah ... so will that be at the same time that they are also calling him a "weak appeaser"?
JoePhilly
Mar 2014
#80
You think a statement that you misrepresent (and do not link to) will impact GOTV efforts in 2014.
JoePhilly
Mar 2014
#51
Because if you read or watch what he actually said, your characterization is nonsense.
JoePhilly
Mar 2014
#62
He didn't "defend the mistakes of the previous administration". So...bullshit.
NYC Liberal
Mar 2014
#75