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MindMover

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105. You use the word savage and digress to arguments about racism ...

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:12 PM

Mar 2014

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I will humor you and acknowledge that you do not want to understand what my original post is about and that you are just hunkering down for a fight. So here ya go, feast on this ....

Have you ever contemplated what instincts truly are, if not the “cliff notes” of the accumulated knowledge which stems from the experiences of the consciousnesses that have preceded you?

Are instincts not inherent knowledge?

And if they are inherent knowledge from the consciousnesses that have preceded us, somewhere within us may be the inherent knowledge of the singularity, the consciousness from which we all originate.

I don’t need to ponder how much of that inherent knowledge is dormant, hidden, tucked away in many, because they need to influence the world to know they exist.

Curious enough, the observer is intangible. How real can reality be when the self that is determining it to be real is itself intangible?

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I trust Native Americans to know what is bad for my environment ... [View all] MindMover Mar 2014 OP

K&R n/t Aerows Mar 2014 #1

Can you imagine our leaders considering the fallout for generations into the future... polichick Mar 2014 #2

I have worked with Native Americans and find there reverence for the land they .. MindMover Mar 2014 #5

One of the first times I really felt my Native American roots was... polichick Mar 2014 #11

Keep up the good work ... MindMover Mar 2014 #15

You too! :) polichick Mar 2014 #16

generation gap DustyJoe Mar 2014 #3

Come to NW Washington KT2000 Mar 2014 #6

In our little corner of NW Washington..... Capt.Rocky300 Mar 2014 #38

Where is that? KT2000 Mar 2014 #39

Swinomish Tribe near Anacortes. Capt.Rocky300 Mar 2014 #40

I see - KT2000 Mar 2014 #45

We have been following the progress.... Capt.Rocky300 Mar 2014 #57

Exactly this. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #98

I have also seen these conditions brought on by neglect and really a MindMover Mar 2014 #7

+1 ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #8

Aside from outright genocide, the effort to deculturalize American Indians by forcing a slumcamper Mar 2014 #41

AMEN ... and thanks for your understanding .. MindMover Mar 2014 #43

I also am quite fond of the reaction of a Native American elder to our truedelphi Mar 2014 #51

in AZ, most of the state declines to participate in that silliness Kali Mar 2014 #106

I'd imagine that's due more to regional poverty than age... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #12

these are the vestiges of grinding poverty. nt G_j Mar 2014 #26

Really? Come to Appalachia and see what European Americans have done. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #29

generations II DustyJoe Mar 2014 #93

In part this is true Rockyj Mar 2014 #67

Not only visual blight, but pollution and poor resource managment. Cofitachequi Mar 2014 #76

What you might be seeing on the 4 corners is the unholy influence of the white man Stargazer99 Mar 2014 #96

In the Washington mudslide KT2000 Mar 2014 #4

^^^^^This^^^^! love_katz Mar 2014 #42

Posted this a few posts above yours on the thread. Thought you'd be interested. Cofitachequi Mar 2014 #77

Exactly where are you talking about ... ? MindMover Mar 2014 #119

I've worked with Cherokee on and off trust lands in North Carolina and Tennessee. Cofitachequi Mar 2014 #124

Now, you are talking about internal politics ... MindMover Mar 2014 #125

tough folks CountAllVotes Mar 2014 #126

While I know that there's a great number of Native Americans who are environmentally conscious, WatermelonRat Mar 2014 #9

Everyone has one and you are entitled to yours ... MindMover Mar 2014 #10

Yes they are entitled to their own opinion you are right and they are also right in that cstanleytech Mar 2014 #19

My experience is definitely different than yours ... MindMover Mar 2014 #21

I'm not trying to be divisive I am trying to point out people are not superior on anything due to cstanleytech Mar 2014 #25

Sorry but, the KKK is not a race, it is stupid white people ... MindMover Mar 2014 #28

Knowing about racism is not the same as knowing about environmentalism. Racism happens because... Moonwalk Mar 2014 #103

You use the word savage and digress to arguments about racism ... MindMover Mar 2014 #105

Well of course members of the KKK are stupid but its not because they are white its cstanleytech Mar 2014 #155

Call all white people racist because of the KKK Revanchist Mar 2014 #133

"Call all white people racist because of the KKK" Then its a good thing I didnt do that then. nt cstanleytech Mar 2014 #154

+1 Jgarrick Mar 2014 #14

Seriously. eom uppityperson Mar 2014 #30

I know, right? Thor_MN Mar 2014 #44

The reward is small, and goes to a few. The risk is great and goes to many. Scuba Mar 2014 #13

if the bad river have their way unionthug777 Mar 2014 #20

+1! That's the point. Only a few are rewarded but at the expense of millions. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #27

I trust scientists. Gore1FL Mar 2014 #17

I do to, and yes you are correct .... MindMover Mar 2014 #18

Native americans, like many other people and cultures, are much more in touch joeybee12 Mar 2014 #22

and AMEN ... MindMover Mar 2014 #23

True - and that connection is sacred. polichick Mar 2014 #36

Really? homegirl Mar 2014 #74

They probably built there casino on land treatied to them ... MindMover Mar 2014 #122

"Native American" is not a singular culture or people. NYC Liberal Mar 2014 #120

Where do you get your information ..? (hundreds of years before Europeans arrived). MindMover Mar 2014 #123

A few links: NYC Liberal Mar 2014 #129

Thank you ... and yes they had differences ... MindMover Mar 2014 #131

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #24

I trust some, not all. No more than all of any ethnicity or race uppityperson Mar 2014 #31

Well said, Jean-Paul ... MindMover Mar 2014 #32

I always knew this was environmentally friendly!... yawnmaster Mar 2014 #33

Ok, I give, is this an underfunded tribal medical complex ... ? MindMover Mar 2014 #34

Oh it is funded... yawnmaster Mar 2014 #35

I will not get into casino/resorts owned by Native American tribes ... MindMover Mar 2014 #37

"Innate"? Brickbat Mar 2014 #59

Humans do not the type of innate knowledge of which you speak eom yawnmaster Mar 2014 #87

If your post could mean something, I would respond ... MindMover Mar 2014 #89

It means that humans are not born with innate knowledge beyond... yawnmaster Mar 2014 #94

You think you have knowledge and understanding and you do not ... bye MindMover Mar 2014 #95

Biology fail. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #121

THAT DOESN'T COUNT. Brickbat Mar 2014 #60

This is rascism and fake spirituality... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #46

Thank you for alerting me on who to ignore .... bye MindMover Mar 2014 #47

It does have some elements of the "noble savage" cartoon to it. Throd Mar 2014 #53

You might say that, but I could not possibly comment. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #54

Exactly. /nt Marr Mar 2014 #63

K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #48

Thanks WillyT ... MindMover Mar 2014 #49

Anytime, MindMover... Anytime... WillyT Mar 2014 #50

I toss that up to her being a smart lady, rather than because of her race Scootaloo Mar 2014 #52

I trust the Irish to tell me about liquor... AngryAmish Mar 2014 #55

I can tell you about some good cheese and wines ... and I speak one of those funny sounding ... MindMover Mar 2014 #56

And I trust the Germans on matters concerning.... Kaleva Mar 2014 #58

if you have something to say please say it clearly ...nt MindMover Mar 2014 #61

the word, if I can speak for another, is racism. AngryAmish Mar 2014 #62

so I am a racist ... WOW .. MindMover Mar 2014 #64

They should fucking know! They've been fighting terrorism since 1492. lonestarnot Mar 2014 #65

And they have been better stewards of the land than ... MindMover Mar 2014 #66

I don't know about that as I am not familiar with race and stewardship of planet earth. lonestarnot Mar 2014 #68

of course you are an expert... MindMover Mar 2014 #69

Really? What does that even mean? lonestarnot Mar 2014 #70

goodnight ... and good luck with your next 70000 ... MindMover Mar 2014 #71

Right. Sweet dreams. lonestarnot Mar 2014 #72

Absolutely!!! K&R!! hue Mar 2014 #73

I've come full circle from my thinking towards Native Americans ffr Mar 2014 #75

Bravo and thank you for your understanding ... nt MindMover Mar 2014 #79

Hardly full circle. 180 degrees. malthaussen Mar 2014 #82

and yours are greater for pointing out others ... bye MindMover Mar 2014 #91

You are correct. Sorry. An about face. ffr Mar 2014 #157

Would you trust them on their feelings towards the Federal Government? dilby Mar 2014 #78

I trust people from my experience and internal feelings ... MindMover Mar 2014 #81

That is my point, if I took their position I would probably hate the Federal Government. n/t dilby Mar 2014 #83

So your point is ridiculous ... MindMover Mar 2014 #84

My point is you don't blanket support a group based on a person. dilby Mar 2014 #88

Thank you for alerting me on who to ignore .... bye MindMover Mar 2014 #90

"Noble savage" cartoonish nonsense. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #80

Exactly. DavidDvorkin Mar 2014 #102

I trust Native Americans to know what is bad for our environment ... AlbertCat Mar 2014 #85

I and others have already made your important point but thank you for ... MindMover Mar 2014 #86

It doesn't take a report.... AlbertCat Mar 2014 #92

You finally say something that is true and logical ... MindMover Mar 2014 #97

You finally say something that is true and logical ... AlbertCat Mar 2014 #99

And you do not understand or know everything ... MindMover Mar 2014 #104

And you do not understand or know everything ... AlbertCat Mar 2014 #108

I have driven past this place for 20 years. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #100

I think your picture is for this purpose ... MindMover Mar 2014 #113

No, shake mills are uninvolved in clear cuts. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #127

In my research I found that land was parceled to individual tribal members ... MindMover Mar 2014 #128

Forest practices laws in Washington dictate what remediation private landowners must do. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #132

How many acres would you guess is involved in the clear cut .... ? MindMover Mar 2014 #134

The one I have in mind is roughly 100 acres. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #135

Of course you know that this tribe only owns 200,000 + acres ... MindMover Mar 2014 #136

The QIN has sold much of their holdings. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #138

Exactly my point ... sold much of their holdings to the government for pennies ... MindMover Mar 2014 #141

We're drifting off topic. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #144

Casinos? nt mr blur Mar 2014 #101

Because they are primitive and closer to the land? Nothing like a little soft bigotry. CBGLuthier Mar 2014 #107

The first person to call racism is a what .... ? MindMover Mar 2014 #109

perceptive person? eShirl Mar 2014 #130

It's called the Noble Savage stereotype gollygee Mar 2014 #140

Your link points to an obviously ugly portrayal of Native Americans ... MindMover Mar 2014 #146

Well you looked at it for three seconds then, apparently gollygee Mar 2014 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author gollygee Mar 2014 #139

I trust European Americans to know what is good for our economic well being. mathematic Mar 2014 #110

LOL... because it is not true ... MindMover Mar 2014 #111

Which is precisely the reaction sensible people have to your OP. mathematic Mar 2014 #115

Sensible people will understand what my post is about ... MindMover Mar 2014 #117

Your post is about cashing in on longheld racist stereotypes mathematic Mar 2014 #118

I trust humans to know what is good for humans! eom yawnmaster Mar 2014 #114

apparently the Pequot tribe, at least, has other innate knowledge! yawnmaster Mar 2014 #112

That entire complex was made from recycled dream-catchers, so it's OK. Throd Mar 2014 #116

Okay, do you think Jews are better with money and blacks have more rhythm, too? Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #137

I believe that Native Americans have an understanding and reverence for the land they stand on ... MindMover Mar 2014 #142

I'm not the one using racist stereotypes here; you are. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #143

That is your opinion ... MindMover Mar 2014 #148

Mine and that of quite a lot of other people on this thread Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #149

Racism .... Really ... >? MindMover Mar 2014 #150

You've met definition number 1 there. eom yawnmaster Mar 2014 #151

Yep, racism Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #152

Like here!! yawnmaster Mar 2014 #145

Yes that old "noble savage" idea treestar Mar 2014 #156

Native Americans are not monolithic. Kali Mar 2014 #153