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69. I don't see any real problem with debating the performance of a Democratic President in office ...

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:57 PM

Mar 2014

or that of his administration in a forum such as DU.

The Democratic Party still is, and should always be, a big tent. Many who post here are extremely liberal and progressive, a good number are moderate Democrats and a few are conservative Democrats. It took all these different types of Democratic voters and a good number of Independent voters as well as a few liberal Republicans to put Obama into the Oval Office as our choice to lead this nation and best represent our views.

Obviously any President will be unable to satisfy all who voted for him. Not everybody will be part of the cheerleader squad.

I see no problem with anyone who voted critiquing and even criticizing an elected politician and his polices. If you didn't vote and didn't have a damn good reason not to vote, perhaps you should keep your mouth shut.

However I don't feel that calling any President names is truly productive. Being the President of the United States might be the most difficult and challenging job in the world and I have a lot of respect for anyone who is willing to assume that responsibility. Probably the two best days of any President's time in office is the day he wins the election and the day he leaves the office.

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This place in many ways has gone off the deep end. RE: Used car salesman [View all] iandhr Mar 2014 OP

Edited due to OP edit. N/T Coventina Mar 2014 #1

I will fix that. iandhr Mar 2014 #2

K & R for exposure .... littlewolf Mar 2014 #3

A jury let an OP intended to call out Pitt as a racist stand, and your complaint about DU is that cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #4

You got that right... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #6

Are the jury results posted somewhere? Just curious to see. DanTex Mar 2014 #9

-- G_j Mar 2014 #56

Proves yet again that DUers make very, very bad jurors. cui bono Mar 2014 #117

Extraordinary Pomposity In Your Post ProfessorGAC Mar 2014 #154

Not at all. Surely you can tell if a juror is being objective or simply voting based on bias or not. cui bono Mar 2014 #187

Well said, Bill... SidDithers Mar 2014 #124

you don't think they expected to be alerted on? nt G_j Mar 2014 #133

Right on, Juror #1 brooklynboy49 Mar 2014 #144

uh I agree with your sentiment but dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #161

the connection between political rhetoric and sports rhetoric also applies Supersedeas Mar 2014 #190

Juror #1's explanation does not match the vote Doctor_J Mar 2014 #160

Touchscreen vote-flip? dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #165

there's perspective Supersedeas Mar 2014 #20

That was not the point of my OP, and ProSense Mar 2014 #58

Funny how you conveniently left out "racist" this time. cui bono Mar 2014 #119

The despicable name calling is expected of RW racists. ProSense Mar 2014 #125

Some People clearly have no issues with Smear Merchants bobduca Mar 2014 #130

Well, one prominent poster has jumped the shark CJCRANE Mar 2014 #5

Don't forget Michelle is clueless, yeah.... tons of FUD on DU now uponit7771 Mar 2014 #7

You can make DU a more informative and pleasant experience by putting about 30 posters on ignore alcibiades_mystery Mar 2014 #8

Peehaps you are correct, I loved the post during 2012 campaign, they were Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #12

You are so right! JNelson6563 Mar 2014 #19

Yeah why is Kos such a nice site to visit compared to this place.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #135

It's been interesting to watch the two directions JNelson6563 Mar 2014 #149

agreed 100%! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #157

I also find the negative posts on DU discouraging. Laurian Mar 2014 #10

Agree with you on the negative posts 3Stones Mar 2014 #71

You can practically hear them cackling no matter where you are. randome Mar 2014 #11

How soon we forget hfojvt Mar 2014 #13

The problem for the perpetually outraged leftynyc Mar 2014 #97

the trouble is, though, that this is not just a mostly moderate country hfojvt Mar 2014 #101

I understand what you're saying leftynyc Mar 2014 #143

sure it is hard to get stuff done hfojvt Mar 2014 #170

I agree with Randome on this one. Some people are just small minded and get a kick out of okaawhatever Mar 2014 #14

ummm maybe you meant you'll vote for the former ... (nt) sunnystarr Mar 2014 #158

lolz. yeah, I hate it when my freudian slip shows. nt okaawhatever Mar 2014 #174

Good god, that happened a week ago. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #15

Today as well. iandhr Mar 2014 #18

I happen to agree with Will on that point. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #64

then you and those 109 who "agree".... chillfactor Mar 2014 #78

Nice strawman. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #107

I finally just blocked Williampitt. He is just desperate for attention... Walk away Mar 2014 #109

That dead horse rose up from its grave today, peddling its same used-car salesman analogy. pnwmom Mar 2014 #38

I agree. nt WhiteTara Mar 2014 #16

I object to the negative stereotype of the phrase "used car salesman" Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #17

'Used conveyance salesperson'? randome Mar 2014 #23

You should have heard what I said about Clinton about various things he did joeybee12 Mar 2014 #21

what is "off the deep end" is claiming it was racist. TheSarcastinator Mar 2014 #22

That's not what was claimed. randome Mar 2014 #24

that is exactly what was claimed TheSarcastinator Mar 2014 #25

+1 Marr Mar 2014 #29

If Ted Nugent says it, it probably was racist. Whisp Mar 2014 #33

outrageous grasswire Mar 2014 #99

I read that post, and it didn't "claim it was racist." MADem Mar 2014 #171

No one here ever bashed the President before 2008. dawg Mar 2014 #26

You are comparing Obama... iandhr Mar 2014 #47

What makes Obama exempt from criticism and them not? dawg Mar 2014 #50

That's the rub right there in a nutshell. NorthCarolina Mar 2014 #180

Fucking Bashing is right.. "used car salesman piece of shit from his fucking heart and soul".. Yeah, Cha Mar 2014 #141

"Drunken, cocaine-addled sociopath" was my favorite description of * Doctor_J Mar 2014 #163

No, since Obama was elected, *you* changed. Marr Mar 2014 #27

fuckin-a right! frylock Mar 2014 #57

He wasn't "your guy" too? (nt) sunnystarr Mar 2014 #159

Haters gonna hate albino65 Mar 2014 #28

how exactly is "used car salesman" racist? TheSarcastinator Mar 2014 #31

When my u-trou are in a knot albino65 Mar 2014 #36

address the question.. frylock Mar 2014 #59

The gratuitous insults and low-rent Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #75

Were you around here when Bush was President? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #77

don't forget "empty suit" which now apparently has racist connotations frylock Mar 2014 #80

Yup, I forgot about that one nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #85

I should add..... Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #84

Translation, it is ok if this is a republican nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #86

Your translator is broken Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #90

I don't think so nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #93

Well, this IS DEMOCRATIC underground, after all. uppityperson Mar 2014 #121

Another Poster Off The Deep End ProfessorGAC Mar 2014 #155

the fact that Obama is clearly more competent then bush is what makes this all the more frustrating frylock Mar 2014 #88

Frustration is one thing.... Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #92

RW-style policy is a completely different matter as well.. frylock Mar 2014 #95

Time to whip out the broad brushes? Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #98

shit, this place has been whitewashed by people wielding their ODS broad brush frylock Mar 2014 #100

What does that have to do with interpreting "empty suit" as racist? Doctor_J Mar 2014 #162

huh? Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #164

read your DU journal PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #150

yo doesn't mean shit to me. albino65 Mar 2014 #152

followed up by profane anger, nice. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #153

Expect a lot worse as we draw toward the midterms. Whisp Mar 2014 #30

no one is forced to come to DU grasswire Mar 2014 #102

you missed my point. Whisp Mar 2014 #105

I'm Beginning To Think.... mrchips Mar 2014 #32

It's off the deep end when we no longer hold our party accountable Auggie Mar 2014 #34

Agreed! Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #35

It makes one wonder if they changed to road map and some people are mistaking DU for free republic. William769 Mar 2014 #37

+1 n/t FSogol Mar 2014 #66

I know! cui bono Mar 2014 #120

Dichotomous thinking, either he is all good or all bad, unable to see shades of grey uppityperson Mar 2014 #122

Who the hell called the President a POS used car salesman and why is this poster still here? Maraya1969 Mar 2014 #39

....... steve2470 Mar 2014 #51

A regular who is sounding like an alzheimers patient this month larkrake Mar 2014 #137

Or red state Iliyah Mar 2014 #40

It's human nature to some LordGlenconner Mar 2014 #96

K&R Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #41

The majority of Americans voted TWICE for Pres. Obama flamingdem Mar 2014 #42

the majority of posters here criticizing the president voted for him twice frylock Mar 2014 #81

It's hard to get attention on a Democratic/progressive website by being positive TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #43

Ya think? nobodyspecial Mar 2014 #46

yep nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #52

Being negative Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #55

Is it possible to use language rw racists use without being a racist? uppityperson Mar 2014 #123

"America sought to work within the international system." MisterP Mar 2014 #44

well "we" didn't. Schema Thing Mar 2014 #63

It might be the change from DU 2 to DU 3 karynnj Mar 2014 #45

K&R.... I don't feel the same about DU as I used to.... too much negativity! secondwind Mar 2014 #48

Well it just might be because there are too many negative things going on zeemike Mar 2014 #68

yes, this place has changed.. frylock Mar 2014 #49

+1000. kath Mar 2014 #104

Yes, there was a time this place was concerned about reality. jeff47 Mar 2014 #136

it's funny how just about everyone on the planet read it as a rationalization.. frylock Mar 2014 #184

Yep, just as funny as Al Gore inventing the Internet. jeff47 Mar 2014 #189

no, just the right-wing assholes claim that.. frylock Mar 2014 #191

There's plenty of other examples "everyone knows" if you'd prefer. jeff47 Mar 2014 #194

Apology accepted Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #53

This place has "gone 'round the bend" in many ways. The_Commonist Mar 2014 #54

It is nothing more than pure and simple ratfucking* FSogol Mar 2014 #60

Yes Ive been here since 2001, it has changed bowens43 Mar 2014 #61

DU used to be about issues. Now it's just a fanzine, apparently. nt valerief Mar 2014 #62

^this^ frylock Mar 2014 #82

pretty much. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #115

Most of the posts are about DU or DUers. The SoP is meaningless. morningfog Mar 2014 #131

This type of behavior is embedded in human nature. Trust Buster Mar 2014 #65

yes, traditional democratic values are now fringe left/right wing.. frylock Mar 2014 #87

welcome to du, eys. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #151

you think stuff on here is bad now rtracey Mar 2014 #67

"Democrat" Party, eh? stevenleser Mar 2014 #106

Hey rtracey Mar 2014 #156

I don't see any real problem with debating the performance of a Democratic President in office ... spin Mar 2014 #69

just cause someone posts frequently, does not mean they are particularly articulate or intelligent. La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #70

translation: Pitt is stupid frylock Mar 2014 #91

Yes, i have published work. No, I will not make it available to you. La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #103

Michelle Malkin; Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reily, one_voice Mar 2014 #108

It was less than 48 hours after the election in 08 Gman Mar 2014 #72

was that when it was announced that a homophobic asshole was giving the inaugural prayer? frylock Mar 2014 #94

You forgot to follow through. Ikonoklast Mar 2014 #114

No, it was Rahm Emmanuel as Chief of Staff. Gman Mar 2014 #134

Wow, so it was just 48 hours before the WH gave the finger to the left, huh? /nt Marr Mar 2014 #176

Actually less than 48 hours Gman Mar 2014 #188

Oh my-- so the big bad Left made Obama president, huh? Marr Mar 2014 #195

Nah. It's really just that one person, practicing 'grown up' talk. closeupready Mar 2014 #73

The place changed, you are right, and not in a healthy way nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #74

No one has ever said "there must be no criticism of the president." You know better than that... Hekate Mar 2014 #139

Love how they keep trotting out Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #146

You realize that the President is not anywhere close to a "mainstream progressive", right? n/t Dawgs Mar 2014 #76

^^^ dawg Mar 2014 #111

The best way for the President to avoid criticism from the Left, Maedhros Mar 2014 #79

+1 cui bono Mar 2014 #128

+1. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #186

What did you say about single payer? xocet Mar 2014 #83

I agree. I don't know if they're ideological purists or repuke trolls. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #89

But it was the CAR that was the POS, not the President!1!one Number23 Mar 2014 #110

Hey, look on the bright side. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #112

It really has gone off the deep end. obxhead Mar 2014 #113

Hate Sells, iandhr.. too bad if it's ignorant.. as you Cha Mar 2014 #116

How could anyone take offense at trying to sell this as better than Crimea ... GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #118

it will bother them again in 2017 Skittles Mar 2014 #192

Republicans dance with glee when Democrats shit on Democrats. baldguy Mar 2014 #126

The full blown "used car fucking hateon" has an ugly con site jerking off.. Cha Mar 2014 #138

Too many shill-trolls. morningfog Mar 2014 #127

Sorry but Obama's words in support of Iraq are indefensible. Warpy Mar 2014 #129

Thank god your OP pulled it back onto the ledge! cui bono Mar 2014 #132

.... DeSwiss Mar 2014 #140

Those on the left like that are their own worse enemies. DCBob Mar 2014 #142

In 2010... Stellar Mar 2014 #145

"Creating reality" and "perception is reality" are the RW's techniques CJCRANE Mar 2014 #148

Point taken. Stellar Mar 2014 #175

I think what's happening is that we're coming to terms with Obama as he really is. It's tough. reformist2 Mar 2014 #147

Nah, 5 or 6 people are making all the noise on this one. Rex Mar 2014 #166

yep. screaming their heads off as quietly as they can in their echo chamber. reddread Mar 2014 #172

DU was mainstream progressive blog along the lines of Daily Kos BlueJac Mar 2014 #167

Way I see it marions ghost Mar 2014 #168

Saying shit like that about a decent Democrat, even if one disagrees with an aspect of his MADem Mar 2014 #169

What's happening here thefool_wa Mar 2014 #173

best reply ever to lock step mentality! Hammer meet nail! JohnRogan Mar 2014 #179

Divide and conquer. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #177

I have never understood why socialist and anarchist disruptors have free reign here Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2014 #178

some people dont care for open forums and if thats your case you should leave, JohnRogan Mar 2014 #181

have you read the Terms of Service? Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2014 #193

I believe '08 divided DU as well as the rest of the voting public JohnnyRingo Mar 2014 #182

It's no accident, and it's well coordinated. You're supposed to feel exactly the way you're feeling. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #183

I agree! jazzwinders Mar 2014 #185