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MannyGoldstein

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135. I have a teenaged son

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:44 PM

Mar 2014

There's only one political issue that we strongly disagree on. *I* think that *all* young adults should be drafted into the military, he does not.

I want this because I believe that the only way we can possibly stop old Americans from sending young Americans to die is to make sure their young Americans who suffer and die, too. The Clintons, the Bushes, the Obamas, the Romneys... they'll do what they can to keep their kids out of the military. Today, it's the 99% that serve as canon fodder. Add the 1% and things will change in a big way.

Thank you for wanting to defend us. I wish that good impulse had been put to better use by our society, and that you had not suffered. But I feel blessed that you, and others like you, have that good impulse to help out. And I hope that I can and will do a little to help, too.

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Look people - the Iraq War was an honest mistake [View all] MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 OP

Haha. 840high Mar 2014 #1

Oil Oil OiL 12kbush Mar 2014 #119

Tell that to Obama RobertEarl Mar 2014 #2

Ironic that Cheney and Rumsfeld, 2 individuals that benefitted from Obama's look forward, Dustlawyer Mar 2014 #68

No, no, no. fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #100

It's about time you got on board PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author quinnox Mar 2014 #6

history is revised with getting others onboard Supersedeas Mar 2014 #116

Bwahahahah ...luv ya Manny L0oniX Mar 2014 #4

Did you not know to look forward and never back? Rex Mar 2014 #5

Yes, thanks, and I was recently informed we were all fooled by the WMDs anyhow quinnox Mar 2014 #7

irrefutable satellite imagery... PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #11

It was good enough to fool Congress. Well at least Ms. Clinton-Sachs. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #19

It could have been rendered out of Lego blocks and Congress would have bought it. nt Buns_of_Fire Mar 2014 #38

Maybe we should factor in what we now know about the NSA/CIA/FBI cabal. Maybe that will rhett o rick Mar 2014 #98

It also fooled vssmith Mar 2014 #112

Some day President Cheney's pacemaker pscot Mar 2014 #8

Last time I saw the bastard I was pushing the button on my garage door opener like a mad rhett o rick Mar 2014 #20

LOL! MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #23

Thanks for the much-needed belly laugh! Divernan Mar 2014 #151

LOL. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #158

McCain would have opposed the war. ProSense Mar 2014 #9

The other guy would have been comparatively more bad is a shitty argument. Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #37

Forgetting that Obama ended the Iraq war? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #72

It was not his timeline. former9thward Mar 2014 #87

No matter whose timeline it was Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #101

Yes, there is that... former9thward Mar 2014 #108

Words, words, words, we're so sick of words sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #96

Hmm jamzrockz Mar 2014 #123

Because writing is an action.. LanternWaste Mar 2014 #127

Quite brilliant malaise Mar 2014 #10

Obama failed to see that the Iraq war was a huge success. Vattel Mar 2014 #12

I am soooo sorry PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #14

By the way, post 12 is supposed to be sarcastic. I am not as good at it as Manny though. Vattel Mar 2014 #15

I almost did not post PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #16

The joke was supposed to be in the fact that the speech I quoted was Obama's. Vattel Mar 2014 #21

Yes - from here: Maedhros Mar 2014 #105

From the point of view of the 1%, the war was a great success. A million dead, 5 million rhett o rick Mar 2014 #34

That war was neither honest nor a mistake. WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2014 #167

BS Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #13

We are All Schmuckians Now tea and oranges Mar 2014 #25

Oh Jeez, this place has become a parody of itself. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #17

Do you support pardoning Bush and the War Criminals? I mean they had good intentions. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #18

Who has talked about pardons? leftynyc Mar 2014 #61

Do I understand that means you are against pardoning them? It would put this mess behind us. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #86

Deflection is not helping your cause leftynyc Mar 2014 #89

Do you consider them 'honorable men'? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #121

Are you talking about leftynyc Mar 2014 #124

We were against it before we were for it. Autumn Mar 2014 #22

double + good bobduca Mar 2014 #75

It wasn't honest and it wasn't a mistake. Autumn Mar 2014 #79

US foreign policy stance demands dishonest rhetoric bobduca Mar 2014 #82

Sure it was all in good fun. But some people don't know how to take a joke. kenny blankenship Mar 2014 #24

I do not think this country could take the truth at this point without ... MindMover Mar 2014 #26

That's a good point. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #40

"Extremely divisive." Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #137

Bull. Those who voted for war were either craven, conned, or corrupt. Iraq was obvious war crime on point Mar 2014 #27

Exactly. If this bohunk out in the boonies knew it, so did those in Congress. Scuba Mar 2014 #46

What incendiary rubbish. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #28

Burn, baby, burn ... GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #39

What? You believed? You think Congress didn't know it was a con? Scuba Mar 2014 #47

Schmucks and their money are soon parted.. zeemike Mar 2014 #29

Dammit. Phlem Mar 2014 #150

So did I...and I am not ashamed to say it. zeemike Mar 2014 #159

Sure, mistakes were made. But Saddam was way worse than that Hitler guy. RufusTFirefly Mar 2014 #30

MUST. LOOK. FORWARD. (It's "the best we could do.") blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #31

Is this sarcasm? Please tell me it is! YOHABLO Mar 2014 #32

Depends on how old you are cprise Mar 2014 #35

k & r! n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2014 #33

P.S. cprise Mar 2014 #36

If it weren't for the MIC pscot Mar 2014 #67

Or... cprise Mar 2014 #115

Freedom! pscot Mar 2014 #148

Source? I'd like to read the full article. [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2014 #107

'U.S. Foreign Arms Sales Make Up Most of Global Market' cprise Mar 2014 #117

Awesome! Thank you.[n/t] Maedhros Mar 2014 #130

Of all the backtracking Obama's done, this one hurts the most. reformist2 Mar 2014 #41

I don't even know what I'm going to reply with, but I feel I have to reply to this thread Victor_c3 Mar 2014 #42

This old vet understands. Thanks for your post. Scuba Mar 2014 #48

Many of us know - TBF Mar 2014 #51

I'm sorry for what you went through. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #56

I just want to hug you Marrah_G Mar 2014 #94

Thank you for your service. Maedhros Mar 2014 #111

sorry, man.. frylock Mar 2014 #129

I have a teenaged son MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #135

As a mother libodem Mar 2014 #145

I know you were lied to and deceived JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #153

I wonder if there is a "RINO Ronnie" over on FR CJCRANE Mar 2014 #43

Freepers don't do cognitive dissonance Fumesucker Mar 2014 #45

Manny is the Stephen Colbert of DU. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #52

I have never considered Colbert juvenile leftynyc Mar 2014 #62

"insults liberals"? Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #74

Manny is pretending to be a fictional Democrat insulting other Democrats CJCRANE Mar 2014 #92

btw Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #95

Fair enough. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #97

Manny *is* laughing at all of us. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #142

Yeah, but we're ~elite~ schmucks Fumesucker Mar 2014 #166

Yes, we should all go along with war for whatever reason, because otherwise we won't win elections. Scuba Mar 2014 #49

I don't agree with Obama on this issue either CJCRANE Mar 2014 #60

What do you want? Mission Accomplished! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #44

When do you want it? Duhhhhhhhh, snort Mar 2014 #85

Half the people in the Country don't vote and we think it's because they're lazy. Scuba Mar 2014 #50

+1000 LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #57

Half?!?!?!?!? Two thirds don't vote. A 30% turnout is a headline. marble falls Mar 2014 #58

Sorry - but a lot are simply lazy leftynyc Mar 2014 #63

I agree the two parties are not the same. But they're not different enough. Scuba Mar 2014 #64

Since the only REAL, lasting legacy leftynyc Mar 2014 #66

You nailed it this time - TBF Mar 2014 #53

du rec. xchrom Mar 2014 #54

Calm, Cool, and Collected, President Obama Schools ABC Reporter During Press Conference at The Hague ProSense Mar 2014 #55

Where's Sid? marble falls Mar 2014 #59

canada bobduca Mar 2014 #83

Off getting his daily enema. Dragonfli Mar 2014 #149

Nyuk nyuk nyuk! He should take his time. marble falls Mar 2014 #162

Pic of the process n2doc Mar 2014 #65

Shrub Shrugged trusty elf Mar 2014 #69

This thread needs more yellowcake RandoLoodie Mar 2014 #70

So Putin should get free pass on agression because Iraq. Progressive dog Mar 2014 #71

No, but this country has no moral credibility commenting on anyone invading anything RandoLoodie Mar 2014 #78

That is exactly what I thought was meant by the OP. Progressive dog Mar 2014 #80

I don't think that is the point RandoLoodie Mar 2014 #84

It is exactly the point and you just repeated it. Progressive dog Mar 2014 #102

That isn't what I am claiming RandoLoodie Mar 2014 #106

Yes you said what you said and Progressive dog Mar 2014 #109

It gets better RandoLoodie Mar 2014 #110

Logical Fallacy alert. Well right back at yeah, "Should we Stand Our Ground and nuke Putin?" nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #99

Eithern you don't know what a logical fallacy is or Progressive dog Mar 2014 #103

No one suggested that Putin should get a free pass and you claim. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #138

Yes, that's exactly what I said! MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #140

No alternate reality is necessary to understand Progressive dog Mar 2014 #146

No, because Ukraine is about austerity, gas, and Monsanto. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #163

K&R DeSwiss Mar 2014 #73

This some f*kkin JOKE??? Boxerfan Mar 2014 #76

Satire. And quite well done. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #160

100,000+ dead were better than Saddam. Remember he paid the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #77

We shouldn't bicker and squabble lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #81

Can't I look forward to seeing Cheney and Bush in handcuffs? tclambert Mar 2014 #88

Such cleverness lillypaddle Mar 2014 #90

Keep up the excellent work Manny - God knows, we need a laugh! polichick Mar 2014 #91

Yep. And, now we kill civilians (for their own good) with drones and call it "unforturnate". Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #93

Indeed. Maedhros Mar 2014 #113

If you are being sarcastic or satirical, please indicate so. nt raccoon Mar 2014 #104

Click on his "Journal" button annabanana Mar 2014 #136

The entire TONE indicated it. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #161

No, it was a lie to steal taxpayer dollars and steal oil! santamargarita Mar 2014 #114

Schmucks Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #118

Why is it that I have this guy on "Full Ignore" and yet I still have to see these moronic posts? Richardo Mar 2014 #120

You don't have to see them. Let me help you to not see anything you don't want to see. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #122

I do believe that might be too complicated for the bots. Phlem Mar 2014 #152

For a guy who isn't paying a dime for DU's services, you're pretty demanding MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #139

Did you say full ignore? bobduca Mar 2014 #169

War Crimes never go away, they are too horrible to ever be forgotten Corruption Inc Mar 2014 #125

I gotta wear shades.... mike_c Mar 2014 #126

Golly, gee, everyone makes mistakes, after all. valerief Mar 2014 #128

I figured it wouldn't take long for you to show up with another shit-and-run special. Arkana Mar 2014 #131

and we fucking lied and bribed our asses off to get that coalition.. frylock Mar 2014 #132

Do you think that Bushs "NSA" came in handy for that? Autumn Mar 2014 #144

Ah yes, the Coaltion of the Billing! Divernan Mar 2014 #155

Slick post, distressing content DevineBovine Mar 2014 #133

Actually, it WAS an honest mistake. Kablooie Mar 2014 #134

Well and succinctly stated! Divernan Mar 2014 #156

We voted for the guy who knew it was a mistake from the get-go. Baitball Blogger Mar 2014 #141

He was against it before he was for it, lol! grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #165

Good one, Manny! kath Mar 2014 #143

Pssst.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #147

Did he say it was "initiated and managed properly" ?? gollygee Mar 2014 #154

To use a legal term, what President Obama did was to distinguish the Iraq war from Crimea Gothmog Mar 2014 #157

I agree, the Iraq war is distinguised in that it was a far worse crime. Especially torture, right? grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #164

Well, in Rumsfeld's fevered imagination the Iraqis greeted us with flowers and candy. Maedhros Mar 2014 #168