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go west young man

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73. Whether it was about resources or not...

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:17 PM

Mar 2014

one thing remains a proven fact. The Vice President of the United States enriched himself fully through his Halliburton no bid contracts and stock. In the end it looks like it was about making themselves rich off the misfortune and deaths of the innocent Iraqi people. The fact Obama didn't want to go after these criminals has hurt his presidency. The United States still has not had a reckoning for it's nefarious actions. That is the core of the problem. And where the heart of the hypocrisy debate lies.

Russia going into a region that considers itself Russian is not even close to what we did. The level of killing and suffering is astronomically against us in this simple debate. Until we have a thorough house cleaning and a global apology and admit to the world that our leaders knowingly lied, no one of conscience will take our "struggle for democracy and fight for freedom" seriously again...unless of course they are paid off.

These points are the undercurrent of what is at issue with Obama's speech. He does have to defend it, sadly..because he is the president of the United States and our hands aren't clean.

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Why Did Obama Just Defend the Iraq War? - Salon [View all] WillyT Mar 2014 OP

Because the author cannot comprehend English or understand context. Richardo Mar 2014 #1

thats exactly what a RW racist would say reddread Mar 2014 #11

!! Richardo Mar 2014 #12

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #30

reddread shoots and scores TheSarcastinator Mar 2014 #50

ROFL!!! grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #95

"We're all RW racists, now!" n/t Aerows Mar 2014 #118

I think it has far more to do with political comprehension than with truedelphi Mar 2014 #28

yeah, those prosecutions were never going to happen. Richardo Mar 2014 #85

Yeah... The "Political Comprehension" Dictates That In "A Nation Of Laws..." WillyT Mar 2014 #91

Why indeed. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #2

How ever will they fit everyone under that bus? 1000words Mar 2014 #5

Says an supposed journalist who can't even check to see if his wife's meds are covered by the new KittyWampus Mar 2014 #7

Cheap shot 1000words Mar 2014 #8

It's the truth. And I would never have posted that until the latest OP from Pitt. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #9

I interpreted the President's speech differently than Will, but that's some cheap shit ... 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #14

this one has no shame whatsoever frylock Mar 2014 #43

And I Get Accused Of Being Devisive... WOW !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #66

Nice that Skinner came out to encourage them, too RandiFan1290 Mar 2014 #99

That is vile. Absolute garbage. Trash. nt stillwaiting Mar 2014 #17

wow... that's sad fascisthunter Mar 2014 #20

That's a pretty cheap shot. malthaussen Mar 2014 #29

Callous, insensitive....... bvar22 Mar 2014 #41

+ 1000 red dog 1 Mar 2014 #47

perhaps you could map it out for him? frylock Mar 2014 #44

Heh ... 1000words Mar 2014 #49

Vile, absolutely vile. n/t demmiblue Mar 2014 #52

Here was the result of the first used car salesman/POS posting. giftedgirl77 Mar 2014 #54

LOL 1000words Mar 2014 #63

I came across that bullshit bc I googled giftedgirl77 Mar 2014 #72

I am very familiar with Will's work 1000words Mar 2014 #78

Well then you should understand why the wingnuts giftedgirl77 Mar 2014 #81

Personal attacks such as that.... go west young man Mar 2014 #60

Ugly and cheap shot. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #70

He still hasn't apologized when the whole damned thing was his fault. gulliver Mar 2014 #84

So, yeah, hey dipshit WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #90

Cheap, low, and pathetic post RetroLounge Mar 2014 #124

TL rumdude Mar 2014 #68

"Obama probably still believes Iraq was a "dumb war,"... polichick Mar 2014 #3

Obama didn't defend the war creeksneakers2 Mar 2014 #67

Didn't really work though - Iraq was despicable in every way. polichick Mar 2014 #82

I saw most of what he said as being lies - truedelphi Mar 2014 #110

He didn't and that's obvious to anyone with reading comprehension. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #4

No kidding Kolesar Mar 2014 #22

+1 redqueen Mar 2014 #24

++++ but as the Incredible String band once sang: Voice for Peace Mar 2014 #39

PBO did not defend the Iraq war! JackRiddler Mar 2014 #6

Obama, the "weak appeasing" ... "warmonger". JoePhilly Mar 2014 #10

And I wonder if the Kosovo referendum remark will be used against him jakeXT Mar 2014 #13

Kosovo nationalize the fed Mar 2014 #15

To this day, I remain rather ignorant (not willfully) in understanding the entire set of events. 2banon Mar 2014 #25

Informative post. go west young man Mar 2014 #65

Putin has advocates and Slobo has advocates Kolesar Mar 2014 #98

What part was untrue? JaneyVee Mar 2014 #16

Bush Inc. never got UN approval to invade underpants Mar 2014 #27

Actually, we did. jeff47 Mar 2014 #97

No 1441 never gave authorization underpants Mar 2014 #100

1441 did not explicitly forbid it. jeff47 Mar 2014 #106

Two things: Hissyspit Mar 2014 #33

+ 1 red dog 1 Mar 2014 #55

+10000 G_j Mar 2014 #58

Still spinning that treestar Mar 2014 #18

The President responded to the Putin defense of his Progressive dog Mar 2014 #19

"It would be a little strange if Obama hadn't" responded to Putin? red dog 1 Mar 2014 #57

No he couldn't, President Obama was not in a position to Progressive dog Mar 2014 #64

"No he couldn't, President Obama was not in a position to red dog 1 Mar 2014 #71

Damn right it's funny, have you really paid so little attention Progressive dog Mar 2014 #75

"On June 22, 2008, Senator Barack Obama voted against a bill to fund the Iraq War." red dog 1 Mar 2014 #86

That is not voting against the war in Iraq, Progressive dog Mar 2014 #87

Whatever you say. red dog 1 Mar 2014 #89

It wasn't ambiguous, it was wrong Progressive dog Mar 2014 #92

I don't consider the OP to be "another dishonest attack on President Obama" red dog 1 Mar 2014 #93

I didn't think you did, Progressive dog Mar 2014 #94

Actually, it is probably an even tougher vote TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #119

I Read an Article on Esquire about a Similar Sentiment fascisthunter Mar 2014 #21

Recycling, that's hot BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #23

He didn't defend it. The author is either an idiot or a liar. NYC Liberal Mar 2014 #26

All he had to do was say we were w-w-w-w-w-r-r-o-n-g. Rex Mar 2014 #31

+ 1 red dog 1 Mar 2014 #61

He didn't do that. Kahuna Mar 2014 #32

Um. Okay, I give up. Where did he defend the Iraq War? Here?: "Now, it is true that the... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #34

Yikes, people really do lack education... glowing Mar 2014 #35

perhaps you could educate yourself how to use a semicolon Skittles Mar 2014 #113

guess that's what I get after posting and being up for 24 hrs working... glowing Mar 2014 #115

I do the 24 hour thing quite frequently too Skittles Mar 2014 #116

He didn't. gcomeau Mar 2014 #36

So, Salon: "What Obama Said Was True". berni_mccoy Mar 2014 #37

Funny,....I thought he was telling Putin he should have faked it before the UN like we did. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #38

HaHa. Or at least be rejected by the UN first. n/t fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #48

Or, as Tweedy said in 'Gangs of New York',... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #51

Hay you know what he could have done. Prosecute the war criminals who got us in to pam4water Mar 2014 #40

Riiiiight ... first-ever Black President charges into the WH like a Bull in a China Shop ... brett_jv Mar 2014 #53

Pfft pam4water Mar 2014 #59

If there's some inescapable reason why a black president couldn't get done what we needed done FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #108

I find it kind of racist to imply that a black President can only be caretaker/enabler. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #120

Agreed. FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #122

Gotcha, I would agree pretty fully with that statement. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #125

It isn't a defense of the war. Orangepeel Mar 2014 #42

Salon ????? bvar22 Mar 2014 #45

LOL !!! - Yep... We Get "Credit" For Leaving, After We Were TOLD To Go... WillyT Mar 2014 #46

Obama only wanted creeksneakers2 Mar 2014 #77

thank you for the reminder. I'd forgotten that. magical thyme Mar 2014 #117

President Obama distinguished the Iraq war from the situation in Crimea Gothmog Mar 2014 #56

If you are trying to say that "Lawyers" heard him differently.... bvar22 Mar 2014 #76

Lawyers are not the only ones who heard President Obama differently Gothmog Mar 2014 #80

I listened President Obama's comments live on my car radio when he made the speech Gothmog Mar 2014 #101

Well, as you were driving in your car listening to the radio, bvar22 Mar 2014 #102

Yes, I heard the entire speech Gothmog Mar 2014 #104

The world is also full of morons who don't do nuance... which is why the right wins anything at all. phleshdef Mar 2014 #105

Oh...and YOU speak for the majority of DUers? bvar22 Mar 2014 #107

Russia has 50,000 to 100,000 troops on the eastern border of Ukraine Gothmog Mar 2014 #109

Distinction: Orders of magnitude worse and more stupid. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #123

, blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #62

Why? Money trumps peace. Octafish Mar 2014 #69

Whether it was about resources or not... go west young man Mar 2014 #73

Because he's smart rumdude Mar 2014 #74

no Skittles Mar 2014 #83

I watched the speech Live. All i got out of it is that US sought UN aproval and darkangel218 Mar 2014 #79

Obama has defended the Iraq war in other speeches, but not this one. Vattel Mar 2014 #88

Why did Al Gore claim he invented the Internet? jeff47 Mar 2014 #96

Many Smart people saw that he fucked up no matter Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #103

Russia has 50,000 to 100,000 troops on the eastern border of Ukraine Gothmog Mar 2014 #111

the story is about Iraq Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #112

No the purpose of President Obama's speech was not Iraq but Putin and Crimea Gothmog Mar 2014 #114

As said why not frame it as two wrongs don't make a right mvd Mar 2014 #121