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alcibiades_mystery

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26. I'm not defending anything: I'm asking you to substantiate your argument

Reply to cthulu2016 (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:17 PM

Mar 2014

I like to see evidence and judge if an argument is accurate, plausible, etc. You made a claim and appear unwilling to support it. Maybe you're right. Maybe there are people doing what you say. Maybe there aren't, and you're just talking shit for some reason. Don't know at this point.

My request that you actually provide evidence for the major claim in your essay has been up there for awhile now, and now you're responding directly. Fine, fair enough. You don't want to support your claim. Great . But people should certainly read your little essay in that context: the essay in which the OP is unconcerned about actually proving his point.

You say "People are Doing X, and I'm Really Surprised and Disappointed at That."

Somebody shows up and says "Really? Show me people doing that."

You're unable or unwilling to do so. Fine with me, but it makes your point seem pretty piddling if you can't (sorry, "won't&quot support it.

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I am naive. I thought there were limits... places folks wouldn't go. [View all] cthulu2016 Mar 2014 OP

Kick. Squinch Mar 2014 #1

Links please alcibiades_mystery Mar 2014 #2

The nub of the issue is evidenced in numerous threads on this site in the past 12 hours. 2banon Mar 2014 #8

I reject that wholly...the claim is specific and the evidence for it should be as well alcibiades_mystery Mar 2014 #10

Good point. It turns it from a thoughtful OP CJCRANE Mar 2014 #12

It's quite true, and too numerous to count. 2banon Mar 2014 #14

I agree with the previous poster. I haven't seen the type of comments CJCRANE Mar 2014 #16

Be thankful you've been spared... n/t 2banon Mar 2014 #17

I doubt I've been spared. I've read all of the OPs about this issue CJCRANE Mar 2014 #20

hmm. interesting. 2banon Mar 2014 #23

It's not that interesting. I read DU for a hobby and I haven't seen CJCRANE Mar 2014 #24

The OP made a claim...if posts proving it are "numerous," then supporting it shouldn't too hard alcibiades_mystery Mar 2014 #18

You are very concerned with defending non-existent people cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #21

I'm not defending anything: I'm asking you to substantiate your argument alcibiades_mystery Mar 2014 #26

Then you'd have no problems supplying links. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2014 #37

Links to YOUR posts claiming the 2002 resolution authorized the war? cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #59

Nope, links to the ones defending the Iraq war. jeff47 Mar 2014 #70

I have just experienced what the OP is talking about. I was just told here on DU that Bush/Cheney sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #43

Same as it ever was? malokvale77 Mar 2014 #90

If it's too time and labor sensitive for you, it's even more so for those of us who don't believe pnwmom Mar 2014 #22

These posts are EVERYWHERE alcibiades_mystery Mar 2014 #28

Then you'd have no problem supplying links. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2014 #36

There you are, right on time. Would you care to provide some links to the conversation sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #44

according to him it was "legal" questionseverything Mar 2014 #76

Amazing, isn't it? Even Colin Powell doubted the legality they were claiming. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #101

damn Kali Mar 2014 #3

It is Iraq. It is more important than "sides." Autumn Mar 2014 #4

The President ProSense Mar 2014 #5

If by "yesterday" you mean today, yes. cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #7

Your ProSense Mar 2014 #11

As you wish. cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #13

Shouldn't you be accusing random people of racism right now? truebrit71 Mar 2014 #19

He stated that the Bush/Cheney gang at least 'tried to make it legal'. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #45

No, he did not. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #74

Kick. Scuba Mar 2014 #6

Happy to see this. We've disagreed on another geopolitical matter, but in complete agreement with 2banon Mar 2014 #9

President Obama is in a tough position, but that's no excuse. Russia is taking advantage of rhett o rick Mar 2014 #15

Too bad he didn't prosecute the war criminals. cui bono Mar 2014 #34

Yes, clearly Russia should be allowed to invade anywhere until Bush is tried. jeff47 Mar 2014 #38

No one is saying that. How dishonest of you to even suggest such. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #40

Well, you are. jeff47 Mar 2014 #41

It kind of puts us in the same position we are claiming Russia is in, doesn't it? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #46

We can and should object. We certainly should advocate doing the right thing. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #58

it was a moral crime G_j Mar 2014 #25

iraq is the *only* reason obama is president? unblock Mar 2014 #27

Only? Probably not tkmorris Mar 2014 #29

well that's a rather different question. unblock Mar 2014 #30

Yes, but without Iraq, does he beat Hillary in the primaries. That's the question. dawg Mar 2014 #39

One of the main reasons, certainly one of my main reasons for supporting him. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #47

Do you believe that Obama would have beaten Hillary if cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #53

i think people make far too much of the difference there. unblock Mar 2014 #57

"hillary's iwr vote was widely seen as a calculated political move" Maedhros Mar 2014 #85

^^this^^ malokvale77 Mar 2014 #92

If there is one thing the Democratic Party is missing, it's political courage. Maedhros Mar 2014 #103

hear, hear! mike_c Mar 2014 #31

Shock and Awe ... GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #32

k/r 840high Mar 2014 #33

Well said. Anyone who defends the lead up to the Iraq War should be embarrassed cui bono Mar 2014 #35

That's right! No less than 100% pure anti-Americanism should be allowed! ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #42

So you supported Bush/Cheney's invasion of Iraq? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #48

Did President Obama declare the Iraq war a mistake in this speech? TroglodyteScholar Mar 2014 #50

What could possibly move you to say such horrible things? cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #51

Because I live in the real world ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #62

You only oppose wars because of "purely nationalistic" reasons? Maedhros Mar 2014 #86

Before you send some farm kid off to die, make sure he's protecting the U.S. ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #88

Nah, I'll just put you on ignore. Maedhros Mar 2014 #89

Yah... malokvale77 Mar 2014 #93

You have it exactly reversed ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #98

Well have it your way malokvale77 Mar 2014 #99

There are more Conservative Democrats than Very Liberal Democrats in the party ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #100

Wow. So you think our illegal invasion of Iraq was fine then? cui bono Mar 2014 #52

Amazing, right? Like only anti-American types could make such a big deal out of the Iraq War. cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #55

Thank you for the thoughtful post n/t TroglodyteScholar Mar 2014 #49

we should have done to the Iraq war what repukes did with Benghazi Skittles Mar 2014 #54

Iraq led to Speaker Pelosi and President Obama BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #56

OMG Skittles Mar 2014 #63

Says the poster who admires the GOP for its Benghazi strategy BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #64

Not the strategy, but the action of investigations. cui bono Mar 2014 #67

There is no constructive point to anything related to Benghazi, it's a full-on loser BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #68

you COMPLETELY missed the point Skittles Mar 2014 #75

Haha, yeah BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #78

It usually does (nt) malokvale77 Mar 2014 #95

LOL Skittles Mar 2014 #71

I just had someone saying we shouldn't prosecute war criminals because impeaching Clinton cui bono Mar 2014 #66

Maybe first you could identify where any U.S. Administration has been tried for war crimes BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #69

Why are you limiting it to US Administrations? cui bono Mar 2014 #77

The correct answer is it has never happened BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #81

Why has it never been done? cui bono Mar 2014 #82

Don't forget, Nixon let LBJ slide, if you want to play the war crimes game BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #83

The Iraq War was not merely exercising military power. You're missing the entire reason it was a war cui bono Mar 2014 #84

I refuse to engage these folk past a couple of posts Skittles Mar 2014 #72

Critical thinking doesn�t seem to be one of their better skills malokvale77 Mar 2014 #96

Check yourself: Speaker "Impeachment is Off the Table" Pelosi bigwillq Mar 2014 #73

I love you kids, envying failed Republican tactics BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #79

Those that have spoken out... malokvale77 Mar 2014 #94

blas�. and welcome to sobering disillusionment. NuttyFluffers Mar 2014 #60

The Iraq war was mass murder IMO. L0oniX Mar 2014 #61

Yes it was IMO. malokvale77 Mar 2014 #97

Now you know. pscot Mar 2014 #65

President Obama is a lawyer and he used a legal explanation of his position Gothmog Mar 2014 #80

Losing the true base Fairgo Mar 2014 #87

Very, very well said. WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #91

Well we see who is sincere and who is playing a stupid game. Rex Mar 2014 #102

We're supposed to be the ones who DON'T rationalize evil. DirkGently Mar 2014 #104