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tech3149

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27. My perception of the situation would disagree with you
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:32 PM
Mar 2014

While I agree that foreign policy is not deliberated in public and should not be, in specific terms, the general policy has been for decades, adversarial and combative.
The fact that Nuland and Pyatt were discussing their "preferred" outcome in Ukraine does not reveal the whole truth.

We have invested much effort since the fall of the Soviet Union to isolate Russia and move the satellite states into the Western sphere of influence. That move to extend Western influence as far east as possible is the crux of the biscuit. That, in and of itself, is an act of aggression that we would not tolerate.

If you aren't old enough to remember, the Cuban missile crises was a direct result of our stationing equivalent missiles in Turkey. This situation isn't much different. While our NGO's were not specifically instigating for violence or overthrow, they were doing all they could to divide and isolate the satellite regions from Russia and then theirs the EU.

Those in Ukraine that would like to associate with the West don't realize the cost and pain associated with it. Should they choose to tale the IMF offer of support they will just be another sacrificial lamb as Greece. The IMF is nothing more than a paydal lender for nations.

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Wish I had the ability to make a poll of this... JackRiddler Mar 2014 #1
It Is Good To See Your Caveats, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2014 #2
Normal practice is not therefore good. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #4
It absolutely was our business to conduct in the first place. That's the business of every country stevenleser Mar 2014 #5
So "business" is subterfuge and you approve. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #8
Ooh, you used a big scary sounding word that sounds bad! No. Read again what I wrote. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #11
Really? Subterfuge is a big word to you? JackRiddler Mar 2014 #12
As The Man Said, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2014 #6
Unacceptable. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #9
You May Forgive Me, Sir, For Being Unable To Take Your Line Seriously Any Longer Here The Magistrate Mar 2014 #13
The answer, actually... JackRiddler Mar 2014 #14
My perception of the situation would disagree with you tech3149 Mar 2014 #27
What you seem to not understand, Sir, is a knowledgeable and thoughtful AngryAmish Mar 2014 #34
Should you not have beat your wife? nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #3
It was not a coup. joshcryer Mar 2014 #7
So they held a constitutional impeachment, did they? JackRiddler Mar 2014 #10
Yes, the impeachment was legal. joshcryer Mar 2014 #16
I'm sure they are moderate. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #18
The key will be handling the oligarchs. joshcryer Mar 2014 #19
Yeah, they've got the perfect government JackRiddler Mar 2014 #20
They well have elections. joshcryer Mar 2014 #22
bumping JackRiddler Mar 2014 #15
The USA needs to stay out of Ukranie and Russia's business bigwillq Mar 2014 #17
Way too many folks are ignoring this simple set of facts malaise Mar 2014 #21
Yeah but the corporate media... JackRiddler Mar 2014 #24
M$M never fails malaise Mar 2014 #25
Don't think they don't know what they are doing JVS Mar 2014 #28
Some of them do... JackRiddler Mar 2014 #29
I think this is what's most frustrating ozone_man Mar 2014 #23
It's about the gold reserves Forever29 Mar 2014 #26
Geostrategy is a lot more than gold. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #30
Thank you for stating so well what many of us here felt at the time and still KoKo Mar 2014 #31
I think the point is that they made a mess of it. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #32
Would it have been okay if it had been effective? JackRiddler Mar 2014 #33
If it resulted in good governance in Ukraine, I'd be fine with a bit of subterfuge. bemildred Mar 2014 #35
Subterfuge wrong on principle and bad practice. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #36
Oddly enough, having read all that, I don't find anything I particularly disagree with. bemildred Mar 2014 #37
It was not a coup. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #38
In eastern Ukraine the popular seems to go the other way. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #39
Since it's kickable... JackRiddler Jun 2016 #40
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