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117. That's a fair question. ...
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:51 PM
Mar 2014

Of course I can support a candidate who may be far more liberal than I am and have in the past.

On some policies Obama is far more liberal than I am and in some areas I am more liberal than he is. I voted for him.

There was a recent test on DU that supposedly determined how liberal or conservative you are. I scored to the left of a moderate Democrat and to the right of a very liberal Democrat, right in the middle between moderate and very liberal.

I'm not opposed to all socialist programs. Social Security and Medicare are socialist programs. I currently benefit from both and I'm damn glad they exist. I was actually hoping for a socialized healthcare system such as exists in many nations as I feel "for profit" healthcare is inherently evil. I have seen far too many people with serious healthcare issues who were unable to afford medical treatment or even sometimes the cost of an office visit to a doctor because their employer provided health insurance had a high deductible. If we do indeed live in the "Greatest Nation in the World" I can see no reason why the citizens who work to make this country as "great" as it is can not afford treatment for their medical and mental issues. I favor a single payer healthcare system or Medicare for all.

I also feel that the government should finance the higher education of qualified students and also job training for those who do not wish to obtain a college degree. The taxes paid by well educated people and those who hold good paying jobs would offset the initial cost. Our nation would greatly benefit in the long run. I know several people who are burdened with educational loans and find them almost impossible to pay off. If the cost of higher education is allowed to continue to sky rocket only the well off will be able to send their children to college. "For profit" higher education is hindering our nation and negatively impacting our economic future.

I support unions and since the Reagan years, union power has declined. Perhaps that's why the middle class is shrinking and the greedy 1% are growing richer and richer. If our nation hopes to continue to lead the world, we need a large and strong middle class. Ronald Reagan's trickle down economic policy has greatly benefit the wealthy but many in our society are growing tired of being pissed on. I'm one of them.

I am also a strong supporter of a total overhaul of our immigration laws. We should welcome immigrants from all over the world because if our nation is the "great melting pot" of the world it will once again benefit in the long run.

Our current immigration system has allowed businesses to benefit from a new slave class that they can underpay and mistreat. "Illegal" immigrants from Mexico and South America often face danger and even death crossing our southern border. We often rely on such people to work in jobs that we are unwilling to do and their work is critical to many industries and farms. They greatly enhance our lives and they deserve to receive a fair wage, full protection under our laws, healthcare when necessary and the opportunity to become citizens of our nation.

But many very liberal people who post here most likely would not view me as a "good" Democrat because I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. While I do not support another assault weapons ban and feel it would do little good to reduce gun violence in our nation, I have no problem supporting some major changes to our national gun laws. I support universal background checks and proof of firearm safety training for anyone who wishes to purchase a firearm or ammunition. I also support law enforcement efforts to curtail the smuggling of stolen firearms into the inner streets of our cities and feel that anyone convicted of "straw purchasing" a firearm for a felon or a smuggler should face a LONG prison term. In fact I feel they should be charged as an accessory to any crime committed with the weapon they purchased.

The Founding Fathers set up our government so rapid change is almost impossible. Over the years Democrats have gradually moved our nation in a liberal direction. This will continue as long as our party has power.

I understand why liberal Democrats are often unsatisfied with the rate of progress that they are able to make but expecting major chances overnight is unrealistic at best under our form of government.

What I fear is that we may split like the Republican Party. If the minority of the very liberal members of our party attempt to take over and run the party, we may find ourselves in the same quandary the GOP is currently facing. If the Tea Party had simply broke away from the parent Republican Party they would not pose any more threat than the Libertarian or the Green Party. Instead they are trying to gain full control of the Republican Party and are having some success. That will most likely work to our advantage in the upcoming midterm elections and possibly in the next Presidential race. A party that is fractured down the middle is a weak party and eventually the Republicans will learn this lesson.

Of course I might be wrong and you might be right. Perhaps pushing a very liberal agenda is the best approach. I personally feel it's a noble effort but will probably prove as futile as Don Quixote tilting at windmills. I favor a more slow and steady approach. Our nation today is far more liberal than in the 1950s and 1960s when I was growing up. If our party remains strong our nation will be even more liberal over the next 50 years.

Time will tell.




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Links? frazzled Mar 2014 #1
You consider yourself Liberal left? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #7
links? JaneyVee Mar 2014 #11
Links? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #62
Sure ... frazzled Mar 2014 #63
Cool RobertEarl Mar 2014 #64
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #22
Are you one of those who call leftists "corporatists" frazzled Mar 2014 #58
Welcome to DU, Blazer RobertEarl Mar 2014 #65
Remember when Republicans set out to demonize the word "Liberal"? Maedhros Mar 2014 #75
I am member of the Democratic Party. Labels are useless as they are not easy to define and lumpy Mar 2014 #129
We are all liberal left here. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #2
I know who it is! Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #5
Not nonsense at all from me RobertEarl Mar 2014 #10
I'm not about to jump through a hoop on your demand. nt CJCRANE Mar 2014 #13
See? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #61
So am I. You are not the only liberal on here. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #67
That's fine RobertEarl Mar 2014 #69
Because you are making it like a McCarthyite witch hunt. I've been here a long time CJCRANE Mar 2014 #72
Using the McCarthy word now? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #82
You started the namecalling and you know it. This whole OP is just a big call out. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author CJCRANE Mar 2014 #84
It seemed like more of an invitation than a Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #79
It's a game. When did you stop beating your wife? CJCRANE Mar 2014 #80
I don't think we are all liberal left here. progressoid Mar 2014 #100
obama has high approval among liberal dems, he does horrible among conservatives JI7 Mar 2014 #3
That sounds true to me Progressive dog Mar 2014 #36
funny thing, a lot of these "trolls" held the same views they did on 1/19/2009 as they do today.. frylock Mar 2014 #86
du rec. xchrom Mar 2014 #4
Obama's approval ratings with liberal democrats sufrommich Mar 2014 #6
It's 88.9% Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #8
LOL n/t fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #93
The liberal democrats you refer to have not been vetted by DU's ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #16
You certainly do not represent the Libeal base RobertEarl Mar 2014 #17
I represent myself and don't make sufrommich Mar 2014 #20
You represent yourself?? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #24
You're just reaching for whatever sufrommich Mar 2014 #26
Just repeating your words RobertEarl Mar 2014 #71
so aside from representing yourself Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2014 #118
Interesting. Did you know that many of those groups formed a coalition before the last election sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #128
You might want to re-aquaint yourself with this link: Raine1967 Mar 2014 #28
This^^^^^ nt riqster Mar 2014 #45
I'm half tempted to post the entire link as an OP, but these days, Raine1967 Mar 2014 #50
They probably are all just lying about being Liberal, Progressive dog Mar 2014 #39
Obama is at something like 85% approval among liberal Dems. DanTex Mar 2014 #9
what percentage of people here do you believe to be anti-Obama.. frylock Mar 2014 #89
Well, I certainly don't think 85% of people here approve of Obama. DanTex Mar 2014 #97
So you'll be working to GOTV for Democrats in 2014, right? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #12
Been doing it since 2006 RobertEarl Mar 2014 #21
You should take responsibility for your own emotions. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #23
I'm a bit confused...How does.. SunsetDreams Mar 2014 #29
Joe and I go back a bit RobertEarl Mar 2014 #33
Since when it is a personal attack SunsetDreams Mar 2014 #44
Let's try this ... you just accused me of a personal attack ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #66
Didn't warrant a jury RobertEarl Mar 2014 #68
Haven't you already determined that you get to decide who the "liberal base" refers to? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #70
Please stop with the personal attacks!!!! zappaman Mar 2014 #73
And you should see the ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #74
Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #78
You crack me up. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #81
Bahahaha, locked out of his own thread... giftedgirl77 Mar 2014 #104
Poster is now on a bit of a vacation. zappaman Mar 2014 #112
Plus there is no actual discussion of policy CJCRANE Mar 2014 #34
OP knows best. zappaman Mar 2014 #46
Exactly. SunsetDreams Mar 2014 #48
well if it's too hard and you're not enthusiastic enough to do it treestar Mar 2014 #40
Stop confusing the Liberal Left with the Ideologues posting crap on DU. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #14
yup, in fact i'm pretty sure many of them are right wing trolls JI7 Mar 2014 #15
yep. people here since 2002 are right-wing trolls.. frylock Mar 2014 #91
There you go RobertEarl Mar 2014 #19
That only works when you self-appoint yourself as a liberal monitor and then call out others CJCRANE Mar 2014 #31
Divide? Yep RobertEarl Mar 2014 #38
"The fake liberals who post here". Who made you the liberal monitor? CJCRANE Mar 2014 #41
you don't have the credibility to categorize DUers in these little boxes you feel they belong it. dionysus Mar 2014 #49
Sure I do RobertEarl Mar 2014 #59
Another lookup; fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #95
you have no clue what people here think.there's so much 24/7 criticism coming from every conceivable dionysus Mar 2014 #120
+1 redqueen Mar 2014 #25
Ding! Ding! Ding! Thread Winner! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #96
Hey you! Number23 Mar 2014 #126
I think the TOS are a mere suggestion rather than a mandate these days. But I don't own the joint. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #135
Might be good to define "liberal left" - different factions... polichick Mar 2014 #18
As someone that identifies as a liberal, GiveMeMorePIE Mar 2014 #27
UNREC brooklynite Mar 2014 #30
aren't democrats, by definition left wing? frylock Mar 2014 #92
Zell Miller and Dennis Kucinich. progressoid Mar 2014 #103
Kucinich? yes. frylock Mar 2014 #106
Zell headed "Democrats for Bush" progressoid Mar 2014 #113
Miller left the party, and Kucinich is sui generis Recursion Mar 2014 #121
The only division I see here being created SunsetDreams Mar 2014 #32
Says who? This is the flip side of saying that the bible thumpers are the base question everything Mar 2014 #35
Gawd RobertEarl Mar 2014 #47
The party is a big tent treestar Mar 2014 #37
"Without an active Liberal left, the party would be all republican." QOTD nationalize the fed Mar 2014 #42
Not really, moderates are the base of the party. Rex Mar 2014 #43
Were they the base, they would turn out to vote RobertEarl Mar 2014 #51
But the moderates have the numbers liberals just don't have. Rex Mar 2014 #52
I agree. It's misleading to suggest that the base is liberal. polichick Mar 2014 #54
It is a numbers game RobertEarl Mar 2014 #56
I don't know if they're the "base" of the party or not, if we're looking at sheer numbers. Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #53
That is what I meant, sheer number size. Rex Mar 2014 #55
Without moderate and conservative Democrats as well as a good number of Independent voters ... spin Mar 2014 #57
Nice spin, spin RobertEarl Mar 2014 #60
I sat down to watch Monday Night Football in December of 2006. ... spin Mar 2014 #99
Awesome post! SunsetDreams Mar 2014 #108
Thanks for your support. (n/t) spin Mar 2014 #109
Did it EVER occur to you that it just might work the other way? Raksha Mar 2014 #101
That's a fair question. ... spin Mar 2014 #117
Liberal left here..... Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #76
My point? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #90
FWIW CJCRANE Mar 2014 #77
Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #85
I've been here since 2002, I think I'll be here a while longer. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #88
Looks like his luck ran out. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #98
But not before he edited his OP! CJCRANE Mar 2014 #102
Somebody fucked with him. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #107
Well, he was banned from the E & E forum zappaman Mar 2014 #114
Holy shit Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #124
Beats me. zappaman Mar 2014 #130
I support and vote for, the Democratic Platform. LanternWaste Mar 2014 #87
Let's hope not. BKH70041 Mar 2014 #94
ok i'll bite questionseverything Mar 2014 #111
so what are your top issues? grasswire Mar 2014 #115
Take your poison money to the TeaPubliKlans, that sounds more up your alley TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #123
There's a name for Democrats like you SwankyXomb Mar 2014 #133
liberal leftist, in my compass chart with a splash of anarchism on my own, who knew? juxtaposed Mar 2014 #105
True. But the Greens and other far-left progressives aren't part of the base of the party, pnwmom Mar 2014 #110
Right: "liberal" ... NOT "LIBERTARIAN"! baldguy Mar 2014 #116
Depends on what you mean by "base". Compare DU candidate support to the primaries Recursion Mar 2014 #119
We're still far enough off an election that JoeyT Mar 2014 #122
Actually the base is comprised primarily of women and people of color BainsBane Mar 2014 #125
Has anyone else noticed the OP's edit? Number23 Mar 2014 #127
Weird. zappaman Mar 2014 #131
Ya...that cracked me up! Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #132
Oh please, everyone knows it's Reagan Democrats who are the base of the party Fumesucker Mar 2014 #134
lol! The "Principled Corporatist Democrats". Zorra Mar 2014 #136
You forgot historylovr Mar 2014 #137
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