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frazzled

(18,402 posts)
4. Reality, yes ... but don't make further assumptions.
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:16 AM
Mar 2014

Somehow, DU has decided that Elizabeth Warren is the most liberal senator. I'm not sure where that's come from, given her brief tenure ... but if we go by the traditional rankings handed out by the National Journal (and we don't have to go with them: but at least they have a method for going by actual votes in the Senate), she's far from that: at 73% liberal ranking, she's 31st most liberal senator this past year. Now I'm not saying that's exact, or fair, but here was their explanation.

This year, the vote ratings of another Massachusetts Democrat are eye-catching, but for the opposite reason. Elizabeth Warren, the newest liberal icon, is not the most liberal member of the Senate, according to this year's National Journal vote ratings. Warren's composite liberal score of 73.2 places her as the 31st-most-liberal senator. How could that be?

For starters, she broke with President Obama on a very significant piece of legislation, voting to repeal Obamacare's medical-device tax—a core element to the funding of the Affordable Care Act. Many manufacturers are based in Massachusetts, so this is an instance of her voting her constituency over her party. She didn't stop there, joining with many Republicans to "repeal or reduce the estate tax" if done in a fiscally responsible way. Warren even irked consumer advocates by opposing a measure that would have allowed states to mandate labeling of foods that contain genetically modified ingredients. Those differences gave her a liberal percentile score of 75 on economic policy.

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On foreign policy, Warren received a liberal percentile score of 54 . . . voting with almost every Senate Republican against an amendment to limit the legal rights of Guantanamo detainees brought to the United States.

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On social issues, Warren lived up to her reputation, tying with 26 other Democratic senators as the most liberal.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2013-vote-ratings/why-elizabeth-warren-isn-t-the-most-liberal-senator-20140206


I know I'll get pilloried for printing this ... and it's not that I don't like Elizabeth Warren. I do. But I want to point out that this game of "who is the most liberal" is a losing battle. It can't really be defined. And if we're going to have accusations of "Obamabots," for instance, on this board, then I guess we should also start using the term "Warrenbots" for people who will defend her despite any vote.

Let's just take issue by issue folks, admitting that none of our politicians are perfect--and neither are we. We all have inconsistencies, exceptions to our own rules, occasional poor judgment, etc.

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You're saying Joe Lieberman is/was a real Democrat? RC Mar 2014 #1
Yes I do and yes he was... brooklynite Mar 2014 #2
Is a person a Democrat.... ReRe Mar 2014 #16
And what is the purpose of DU? RC Mar 2014 #24
In retrospective, he seems to be slightly Cleita Mar 2014 #7
Don't be Daft psiman Mar 2014 #18
... Cleita Mar 2014 #27
And therein resides the problem. RC Mar 2014 #25
+1 nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #3
Reality, yes ... but don't make further assumptions. frazzled Mar 2014 #4
And she gets a 63/100 on That's My Congress, hardly liberal. joshcryer Mar 2014 #11
Facts and Evidence: I Like That in an Argument psiman Mar 2014 #19
Thanks for that post dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #23
The central premise of the OP is the rejection of labels ... 1000words Mar 2014 #5
Huh? psiman Mar 2014 #20
This reminds me of Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #6
I suspect that those who demand only "real Democrats" hang out here or... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #8
I don't think people who insult Obama on DU are interested in "real Democrat" flamingdem Mar 2014 #9
A big "D" Democrat is a member of the Democratic Party in one of these states of the United States. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2014 #10
And it's ratified at the convention, by the delegates we select. joshcryer Mar 2014 #12
Delegates selcted by big "D" Democrats, yes. Members of the party elect the delegates. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2014 #13
Delegates tend to be extremely diverse, too. joshcryer Mar 2014 #14
Ye, it has grown more liberal. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2014 #15
A fair point. davidthegnome Mar 2014 #17
Yes, the term Democrat is amorphous. DeSwiss Mar 2014 #21
The real and imaginary complex domain of politics polynomial Mar 2014 #22
Both of my Senators are more liberal than Warren. Why is she your standard for 'as liberal Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #26
She's not my "standard"... brooklynite Mar 2014 #28
Ah I mistakenly took your OP at face value, as being about election of Democrats Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #31
What's your point? polichick Mar 2014 #29
I'm a Democrat because: lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #30
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