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Ms. Toad

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21. So long as you're not one of my legal writing students...

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 12:41 AM

Mar 2014

I did discuss attire, and the persuasive importance of appearance, with one of my female students when she presented her Supreme Court argument in an extremely low cut top.

I had an odd number of students and had offered to replace the lowest grade of any student who paired with the odd man out - which coincidentally happened to be that young woman. Between court appearances, she reversed her top. Quite resourceful, and responsive!

In all seriousness, just as what one wears, and where and when one wanders does not give anyone license to commit sexual assault or rape - how one appears in court should not influence a decision.

The reality, though, is that just as I make conscious choices every day that make it less likely I will be targeted by someone intent on doing evil - when I am in a courtroom I make choices related to the reality that when I am representing a client, appearance may well have an impact on how I (and my client) are perceived.

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I saw this story BlackAndBeyond Mar 2014 #1

It's this asshole talking about women like a misogynist fucking pig. redqueen Mar 2014 #6

+1000 He is using phantom "women" to express his own views Tom Ripley Mar 2014 #34

"Some people say...." yardwork Mar 2014 #57

Hmmm what does a lecher look like and how do they dress? nt kelliekat44 Mar 2014 #46

I posted mercuryblues Mar 2014 #11

Burkas? ladyVet Mar 2014 #42

oh for pete's sake.... mike_c Mar 2014 #2

How 1960s. DURHAM D Mar 2014 #3

It was taken from 60 minutes. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2014 #4

Most everyone "Gets it" - SNL parody FreakinDJ Mar 2014 #12

Many forms of oppressive bigotry that were considered socially acceptable 40 years ago are not redqueen Mar 2014 #14

Kind too much PC policing FreakinDJ Mar 2014 #23

Complaining about not being able to use bigoted insults because it's 'too PC' is a reactionary, redqueen Mar 2014 #29

For those who see oppression behind every stone FreakinDJ Mar 2014 #32

Men don't get to decide which terms women find oppressive. nt redqueen Mar 2014 #33

The damage is done is their mind FreakinDJ Mar 2014 #35

Do you say the same about using the word 'gay' as an insult? redqueen Mar 2014 #36

Interestng redirect FreakinDJ Mar 2014 #38

Not a redirect. Just curious why you find slurs against women ok, but not other kinds. nt redqueen Mar 2014 #39

I don't find public slurs against women acceptable FreakinDJ Mar 2014 #45

wow. yes. do tell us "followers" how we should approach feminist issues, and only in a positive seabeyond Mar 2014 #49

Like I said "A boogyman behind every rock" FreakinDJ Mar 2014 #60

you and i both know "followers" was an insult. now you want to pretend it isnt. i have a family seabeyond Mar 2014 #61

It doesn't matter what you think. nt redqueen Mar 2014 #55

Now dismissive slurs are acceptable FreakinDJ Mar 2014 #59

Are you serious? nt redqueen Mar 2014 #62

Is well-educated slut OK? How about ignorant prude? Scuba Mar 2014 #5

I never thought it was humorous when Dan Aykroyd used that line in the 1970s SNL sketches. John1956PA Mar 2014 #7

He's a fucking pig lillypaddle Mar 2014 #8

Sadly, there are a lot of men who share this sentiment. redqueen Mar 2014 #9

It is stuff like this that makes me wish everyone wore robes. AngryAmish Mar 2014 #10

My preference is that we stop placing so much importace on appearance. redqueen Mar 2014 #16

Absolutely not AngryAmish Mar 2014 #17

That is extremely circular reasoning. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #19

Well, then what is appropriate clothing (if any) for a lawyer in courtroom? The Second Stone Mar 2014 #13

So long as you're not one of my legal writing students... Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #21

But it does matter and it does have an effect The Second Stone Mar 2014 #54

That's the reason I pointed it out - Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #58

I've never worn make-up in court. The Second Stone Mar 2014 #64

One of the judges in my county would refuse to sign any orders or judgments presented by a man Shrike47 Mar 2014 #53

The women are not wearing bikinis to court bloom Mar 2014 #65

if clothing affects the perception of the lawyer doesn't it then stand to reason that clothing of dembotoz Mar 2014 #15

That is precisely why people on trial cannot be required to wear orange jump suits. Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #20

Maybe the women who appear in court . . . Brigid Mar 2014 #18

Exactly Kath1 Mar 2014 #52

I was told we American women have nothing to complain about BainsBane Mar 2014 #22

And I was told white males have nothing to complain about it The Straight Story Mar 2014 #24

Really? BainsBane Mar 2014 #25

No. Not really. Heidi Mar 2014 #31

This judge has posted a follow-up on his blog. Heidi Mar 2014 #26

That isn't an irony at all. redqueen Mar 2014 #30

Well, even the second post is all about him. mtnester Mar 2014 #47

Yes, it appears he's digging himself in deeper. Heidi Mar 2014 #48

Oy. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #27

he should be embarrassed and addressing his "dirty old man" instead of chuckling about it and making seabeyond Mar 2014 #28

Dan Aykroyd, is that you?? Rhiannon12866 Mar 2014 #37

love the way he exempts his "daughters and other women he cares about" Skittles Mar 2014 #40

The women he pereonally cares about, he considers human beings. redqueen Mar 2014 #41

and as the study says. relatives, loved ones, friends, misogynists use the side of brain with seabeyond Mar 2014 #50

Yep. But we can't have a rational discussion of sexual objectification on DU. redqueen Mar 2014 #56

I didn't have to read far to know this idiot should be impeached and disbarred davidpdx Mar 2014 #43

... seabeyond Mar 2014 #51

Ugg, that judge is just creepy. Nt Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #44

Interesting rewrite of the judges words. whistler162 Mar 2014 #63