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RKP5637

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134. Actually, in the big picture IMO companies should not be in the business of providing

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:52 PM

Mar 2014

health care to employees. I don't see why corporations should be paying for employees' health care at all. Originally, it was an exec perk, that eventually got extended to employees. The Hobby Lobby case is one example of why corporations should not be providing health care to employees. A far better solution would have been Medicare for all. ... but there is too much money exchanging hands, big $$$$$, so what could work best is not accomplished.

Now, for another aspect of this, what if Hobby Lobby or another company decides LGBT, for example, should not be covered because it is morally objectionable to them. Kansas, for example, tried to pass a law that anyone could deny medical services to LGBT if it was against their religion. Now, thanks to SCOTUS, apparently companies are people ... so, that same logic, sort of, could be applied?

BTW- Thanks for the discussion!

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I find the Hobby Lobby case to be so deeply offensive, it's impossible to describe. [View all] mountain grammy Mar 2014 OP

I Quite Agree, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2014 #1

I consider this case to be blasphemy. Since when do they think they can judge as a roguevalley Mar 2014 #17

I mean, really, what do you expect from Fascists? Enthusiast Mar 2014 #30

Agree! "Fuck them and this bill." They are all about dominance, persecution and RKP5637 Mar 2014 #52

Sooo agree lark Mar 2014 #87

I have very little respect for some of SCOTUS, and marginal respect for congress. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #91

+++!! n/t BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #92

What about the government? jeanliberty90 Mar 2014 #119

To me, I see it as a question of 'free choice' by the employees to have the RKP5637 Mar 2014 #120

That being the issue jeanliberty90 Mar 2014 #133

Actually, in the big picture IMO companies should not be in the business of providing RKP5637 Mar 2014 #134

Since when? Since they were indoctrinated. n/t DebJ Mar 2014 #96

A little off topic, but... Blue_In_AK Mar 2014 #100

I noticed that. bravenak Mar 2014 #101

lunacy is everywhere. none of these people understand women. roguevalley Mar 2014 #114

Good point. Blanks Mar 2014 #111

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the argument a bit here.. mostlyconfused Mar 2014 #122

They (Hobby Lobby) don't want to pay for it... Blanks Mar 2014 #130

you're right. It is offensive. nt bbgrunt Mar 2014 #2

Well said. It's absurd that this is even before the SC. nt LumosMaxima Mar 2014 #3

You might enjoy this. Excuse the source, but it is worth savoring. Loudly Mar 2014 #4

Thank you, and yes, that was eye opening.. and just another reason to despise Rmoney mountain grammy Mar 2014 #35

couldn't agree more KT2000 Mar 2014 #5

Exactly! flygal Mar 2014 #6

And my mother, who had 8 children, went "visiting" some friends in another city SharonAnn Mar 2014 #104

It's really about corporate personhood Glitterati Mar 2014 #7

Agreed Iliyah Mar 2014 #9

Next time a corporation's products or actions cause the death of someone Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #12

Amen to that. Ilsa Mar 2014 #18

Definitely! The way I see this is if this is OK'ed then corporate execs are liable personally and RKP5637 Mar 2014 #136

Next, they will want tax free status! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #54

No doubt. It's a long and winding road Glitterati Mar 2014 #58

They already have that to a large degree. lark Mar 2014 #88

The cards are so stacked, many are eventually just not going to give a fuck about the RKP5637 Mar 2014 #93

I'm strangely numb about it. Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #8

Yep. hunter Mar 2014 #10

They WERE Glitterati Mar 2014 #14

and the Supreme Court should have let the lower court rulings stand.. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #37

How did this reach the SC? theHandpuppet Mar 2014 #26

The hell with walking on eggshells! This is an all out assault on the first amendment mountain grammy Mar 2014 #38

Makes you wonder what the true story is. Frustratedlady Mar 2014 #11

If HL cared about abortion, they wouldn't do so much business Ilsa Mar 2014 #19

Yes--It seems the height of hypocrisy doesn't it? panader0 Mar 2014 #45

Yep. This infuriates me. Why doesn't the press bring this up? Pisses me off even more. n/t Tess49 Mar 2014 #89

Now that is certainly an interesting point, isn't it? mostlyconfused Mar 2014 #125

Never underestimate how much holier-than-thou people love to... JHB Mar 2014 #32

+1000. I completely agree! mountain grammy Mar 2014 #39

You hit the nail on the head! I wonder why people don't figure this out Stargazer99 Mar 2014 #85

They Sell Cheap Christian Crap Made in China AnnieBW Mar 2014 #123

A Hobby Lobby victory would make a lovely wedge issue for 2014 and 2016. Jerry442 Mar 2014 #13

Amen, Sister Hekate Mar 2014 #15

Sometimes I wonder how we got from there to here.. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #41

to extend ones religious beliefs on to others as under the guise religious freedom azurnoir Mar 2014 #16

Exactly!! mountain grammy Mar 2014 #42

This is a gender based inquisition imposed incrementally. People better wake up!!! kairos12 Mar 2014 #99

Exactly, it's about corporate bullying Warpy Mar 2014 #20

Here's just one example from a link I provided earlier. theHandpuppet Mar 2014 #27

Thank you.. they just keep coming at us. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #43

This is how you begin replacing Civil law with far rightwing "Biblical law." blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #21

I used to have a "poly" family member who worked there so I kept my mouth shut. tavalon Mar 2014 #22

USA is Crazy Town any more Tsiyu Mar 2014 #23

Thanks for articulating my own outrage at the "Hobby Lobby" petition notgoinback Mar 2014 #24

and hopefully, that's exacty what will happen with a boycott. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #44

du rec. xchrom Mar 2014 #25

K&R! I am so with you, mountain grammy! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #28

I really feel that this post should have hundreds of recommendations. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #29

Men couldn't buy condoms before 1965? HockeyMom Mar 2014 #31

Again mercuryblues Mar 2014 #33

Kick and Record davidpdx Mar 2014 #34

K&R Solly Mack Mar 2014 #36

We actually had to turn off a segment on this last night. DirkGently Mar 2014 #40

My husband has turned off the teevee.. he's tired of hearing me ranting every time mountain grammy Mar 2014 #48

Anyone who has defended religious leaders who attack choice and LGBT equality Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #46

+1000 theHandpuppet Mar 2014 #53

The idea that a corporation can have religious beliefs is staggering, CrispyQ Mar 2014 #47

Clarification Calista241 Mar 2014 #49

Just throw their own argument at the SC back at this person Glitterati Mar 2014 #56

A lot of these loons Mariana Mar 2014 #70

Implantation does not occur immediately upon ferilization of the egg within the potential mother. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #107

If that's correct, then it's a whole lot less offensive that was described to me mostlyconfused Mar 2014 #126

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #50

Absolutely right on. It is a overt discrimination against women by trying to impose a corporations lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #51

I agree with you get the red out Mar 2014 #55

Last time I shopped there was about 10 years ago. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #60

We just got one in my city get the red out Mar 2014 #65

Same here Glitterati Mar 2014 #66

Their argument was that they are not prohibiting the use joeglow3 Mar 2014 #57

I think you're wrong Glitterati Mar 2014 #61

That was my read as well joeglow3 Mar 2014 #80

Yes, they are. Glitterati Mar 2014 #82

Their argument is completely bogus, the very definition of a "frivolous lawsuit" mountain grammy Mar 2014 #62

Their argument Glitterati Mar 2014 #64

I believe the case is silly and frivolous, but a HL win would be an unimaginable assault mountain grammy Mar 2014 #71

It would be an unimaginable assault on the constitution Glitterati Mar 2014 #73

Be nice if it really was "unimaginable." It should be. DirkGently Mar 2014 #74

I agree, however Glitterati Mar 2014 #75

Righteous rant! K&R closeupready Mar 2014 #59

I've now switched to loathing religion. I just fucken hate it! For years I was neutral, but with RKP5637 Mar 2014 #63

I was the same. Agnostic. Glitterati Mar 2014 #67

So many now exhibit cult like behavior and hatred I view them as a threat to RKP5637 Mar 2014 #76

They are. Glitterati Mar 2014 #78

In essence, they are working to open the door IMO to alternative government and RKP5637 Mar 2014 #83

SCOTUS, maturity and wisdom Glitterati Mar 2014 #84

Sadly, me too. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #68

Not ALL Religions Are Like That AnnieBW Mar 2014 #124

Individual liberties vs corporate liberties kentuck Mar 2014 #69

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #72

The big question: How far from "supreme" is our SC? polichick Mar 2014 #77

ROFL, I think that was answered with Bush v. Gore n/t Glitterati Mar 2014 #79

For me too, but I'm wondering how low they'll go... polichick Mar 2014 #81

K & R SunSeeker Mar 2014 #86

pleased to be rec #111 BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #90

Very well said... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #94

This could potentially have far more damaging consequences than 10 Citizens Uniteds. Initech Mar 2014 #95

And don't use contraceptives when you do. Then they can deal with a rape baby. oh bad. n/t DebJ Mar 2014 #97

Righteous rant! yardwork Mar 2014 #98

The only thing these corporate fascists understand is money. Loki Mar 2014 #102

There's only one thing I need to know about this case. The_Commonist Mar 2014 #103

I didn't realize that corporations were "religious" people world wide wally Mar 2014 #105

I think that if the Supreme Court decides in favor of Hobby Lobby, a lot of men will find JDPriestly Mar 2014 #106

If there were no birth control, I would have no problem MadrasT Mar 2014 #129

Corporations want to wear two hats at the same time Trust Buster Mar 2014 #108

What's really ridiculous is that the vast majority of their employees are female TexasBushwhacker Mar 2014 #109

I agree completely. These controlling assholes need to get over themselves. NC_Nurse Mar 2014 #110

... handmade34 Mar 2014 #112

Thanks for the link to Aunt Peaches. Will be recommending her to my crafter friends. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #131

The rich are using their wealth to legislate in their favor - they will always pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #113

You tell 'em! TxDemChem Mar 2014 #115

Once, it was settled law sulphurdunn Mar 2014 #116

Ditto. I will be sick if they win. Hosnon Mar 2014 #117

It's all about destroying Obama ,the ACA ,and democratic government.The're devils from the dark ages geretogo Mar 2014 #118

And they'll literally destroy the constitution to destroy Obama. Initech Mar 2014 #135

If An Employer is a Scientologist AnnieBW Mar 2014 #121

That the Hobby Lobby founders care more about a fertilized egg... CBHagman Mar 2014 #127

Please, go to a real art supply store. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2014 #128

K&R! myrna minx Mar 2014 #132