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BlueStreak

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122. And that is why I suggest our only path forward is a clear agenda

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 09:51 AM

Mar 2014

along the lines of the very successful Contract with America from the 1990s. Gingrich took over the House, winning over a lot of normally Democratic voters simply by having what appeared to be a reasonable plan. As we know, much of that plan was highly deceptive and had disastrous, insidious consequences. But the point is that people will follow a leader if they perceive there is a plan. Obama has been all over the map. The only leader we have had recently was Pelosi, and she isn't is a position to do much now.

So if something is going to change, it must come from the grass roots. I believe the 9 points in this plan are things that every Democrat should be able to support, It is not a difficult standard. Nonetheless, most of them won't go for this unless they feel the same kind of pressure that Republicans feel from Grover Norquist.

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What are your true feelings about supporting the Democratic Party of today? [View all] Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 OP

As a reporter I do not support any national party nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #1

This is a Democratic website BainsBane Mar 2014 #25

Are you saying reporters cannot post here, or are you saying that reporters should be biased? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #35

Maybe this is the reason why Independants are growing in number cprise Mar 2014 #38

Independents are growing in number because DU is a Democratic website? BainsBane Mar 2014 #43

'Americans More Likely to Identify as Independents Than D or R' -Gallup Jan. 2014 cprise Mar 2014 #48

Lol! So you want lip service instead of the truth. And we wonder why the Democratic party is in bad Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #49

Misandry? BainsBane Mar 2014 #54

Pardon, who said anything about voting republican? Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #55

It was a question BainsBane Mar 2014 #56

Lol! I know how this game is played. I won't rise to it. Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #57

This is how you always react BainsBane Mar 2014 #60

Completely untrue...but its a standard for you. Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #61

Are you saying you didn't just link your decision not to vote BainsBane Mar 2014 #62

See above I added more, and no, not not entirely with this site. Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #63

Yet you just admitted it in the post above. BainsBane Mar 2014 #66

Admit what? That I was accused repeatedly? Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #67

That you weren't voting because of your views of women BainsBane Mar 2014 #68

Lol! Again its this idea that I arrived at this simply because of some nonsense posted online Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #72

That is not how you began this discussion BainsBane Mar 2014 #131

Lol! Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #132

Let's review BainsBane Mar 2014 #135

Amazing, how you spin, but it still boils down to Waffle time in the near future Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #136

LOL. Those are quotes from your own posts BainsBane Mar 2014 #138

What's particularly instructive BainsBane Mar 2014 #142

Whats instructive is Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #156

I know BainsBane Mar 2014 #157

It's astonishing how many lies you packed into that one post. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #87

Agree! Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #88

I imagine she will be back to tell me what I meant to say, then tear it apart... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #91

Most likely, Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #94

Voting for these clowns is like ordering waffles for the 1%. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #116

You accuse me of lying BainsBane Mar 2014 #134

All one has to do is look at your past posts of other threads Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #137

Hey, I spun your posts BainsBane Mar 2014 #139

And What you are doing is turning off voters fascisthunter Mar 2014 #154

What attitude is that? BainsBane Mar 2014 #155

+1000 Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #160

misogyny not misandry Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #58

Pretty much feel the same. A huge group here will support and defend ANYTHING... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #86

Yup, hate of anything that doesn't walk in lockstep with their ideas. Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #95

You mean the group called Democrats? BainsBane Mar 2014 #147

No Baines, and I really prefer not to waste time with your games. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #151

You are the one who chose to enter this subthread BainsBane Mar 2014 #153

The phrase, "I'm going to take my ball and go home!" springs to mind. Squinch Mar 2014 #92

If you say so Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #97

Same thing. Which begs the question, is there a reason you are here? Squinch Mar 2014 #99

What gives you the right to say I've chosen against Democrats? Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #104

I didn't say it. You did. But your umbrage is noted. Squinch Mar 2014 #106

No, you say I did. Your posturing is noted. Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #107

Nyah nyah. Squinch Mar 2014 #110

Still liking those waffles Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #111

But, again, you have stated that you have no intention of supporting the Democrats in the midterms, Squinch Mar 2014 #113

I like waffles. Isn't enough? You ought to go visit the cooking and baking forum. Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #133

What gives me the right is your announcement that you won't be voting in the upcoming Squinch Mar 2014 #145

Don't quote, Squinch BainsBane Mar 2014 #146

AND lying! Because... just because! That's why! Squinch Mar 2014 #149

Then why are you here? Adrahil Mar 2014 #96

I'm trying to figure out the same thing! People are mean to him here so instead of voting for Dems Number23 Mar 2014 #178

It is amazing the number of flies around DU davidpdx Mar 2014 #59

It's been clear for some time BainsBane Mar 2014 #64

Lol! Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #65

You're seeing that gathering gnat cloud too, huh? Squinch Mar 2014 #103

Supporting, regardless of how tainted the democratic process has become = what? MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #69

What rules have changed? BainsBane Mar 2014 #70

Your last line was the easiest one to agree with... MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #168

Okay, I can see that BainsBane Mar 2014 #182

! dionysus Mar 2014 #158

although I don't entirely agree with #2... mike_c Mar 2014 #2

I think French Toast is awesome LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #3

Given the choice between midterm voting and Belgium waffles. I now know what Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #50

Not voting = electoral support for Repubs. riqster Mar 2014 #74

It does work out that way. Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #76

So you openly admit that your actions support Republicans? riqster Mar 2014 #77

I admit I like waffles. Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #78

Waffles! The ulitmate answer to life the universe and everything!!! LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #114

:) Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #115

Some of us can actually cook and eat waffles BainsBane Mar 2014 #159

We sure can! LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #162

yum, waffles.... mike_c Mar 2014 #152

Make mine gluten free. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #167

I'm a life long Democrat since the day my parents took me to register to vote. Autumn Mar 2014 #4

To what? Squinch Mar 2014 #93

If you go unaffiliated, you will get slammed with junk mail & phone calls & front door solicitors CrispyQ Mar 2014 #130

Since we report on the election nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #161

I noticed a lot of the repub candidates didn't have the word Republican on their mailers, CrispyQ Mar 2014 #163

The local scandal is that a few nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #164

It won't bother me. I enjoy talking to Democrats and I don't mind Autumn Mar 2014 #176

between 2 and 3. There really is not much effective difference, but our managers frighten us Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #5

Like This? bvar22 Mar 2014 #183

Anyone that thinks there little difference between the two parties has not been paying attention... Tx4obama Mar 2014 #6

Faking being a Dem doesn't count. n/t DeSwiss Mar 2014 #28

As someone who chose the Democratic Party at 8 years old - Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2014 #7

And given the bright idea from republicans nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #165

I'm a straight white male. There's little difference between the parties for me. Recursion Mar 2014 #8

So there is a vast difference with respect to the nature of the world you get to live in, even as Squinch Mar 2014 #98

The t-folk are completely unacceptable to me. oldandhappy Mar 2014 #9

Whatever you're doing, you're doing it all wrong. Throd Mar 2014 #10

I thought "shitstorm" was the forecast every day. winter is coming Mar 2014 #17

other: Robb is a dingbat hfojvt Mar 2014 #11

I support Democratic candidates for office FarCenter Mar 2014 #12

Pass. LWolf Mar 2014 #13

why? because I'm trying to sniff out the lukewarm and the unfaithful to try get them purged Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #15

Okay. LWolf Mar 2014 #16

Color me lukewarm. Blue_In_AK Mar 2014 #32

Well you may as well join the mob ... sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #36

Ah. Just what we need. You as the witchfinder general. Squinch Mar 2014 #79

Purging the lukewarm and unfaithful - wow Deny and Shred Mar 2014 #83

um, it was a joke Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #84

Oh, Ok Deny and Shred Mar 2014 #85

Sadly here the sarcasm tag is usually needed. Marrah_G Mar 2014 #109

I THINK he's being sarcastic. Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #118

thank you Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #148

Today's alternative is the batshit-crazy Republican coalition of assorted one-issue ideologues, struggle4progress Mar 2014 #14

Any party is merely a vehicle for certain principles and policies. I support it if I agree with them Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #18

French toast for me, thank you. Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #19

BS manipulative poll cprise Mar 2014 #20

how so? Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #21

Marginalizing the Left; replete with fear-mongering cprise Mar 2014 #22

I support Bernie Sanders and very much hope he runs for President in 2016 in the primaries Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #23

I'm sure cerebrally you're very left; Instinctively not so much. cprise Mar 2014 #30

I guess you have invented in your mind the political equivalent of the "Christian" who goes to Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #31

One can assume a 'saved' posture via notions of centrism or status quo cprise Mar 2014 #39

the whole point of progressive or left thinking Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #46

How do you define "the left'? BainsBane Mar 2014 #27

There are different ways cprise Mar 2014 #33

And what does that have to do with American politics? BainsBane Mar 2014 #44

Plenty. Its clear that democratic reforms must start at the local level cprise Mar 2014 #73

I agree on all points. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #117

Options 1 and 3 are the same BainsBane Mar 2014 #24

The only reason they have my undivided support (and have had since 1980) Warpy Mar 2014 #26

I'm unaffiliated but I support the Democratic Party Platform. joshcryer Mar 2014 #29

Grudging. PeteSelman Mar 2014 #34

The answer is: Alway vote, no matter what, and cprise Mar 2014 #40

I live in a bluer than blue area. PeteSelman Mar 2014 #41

A model small-'d' democrat :) cprise Mar 2014 #42

Amen to that. Boomerproud Mar 2014 #173

I always support whom I feel Niceguy1 Mar 2014 #37

There's no difference is a right wing talking point! B Calm Mar 2014 #45

Somewhere between 1 and 3 Union Scribe Mar 2014 #47

Five centuries ago Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #51

Well said... sendero Mar 2014 #53

The Discourses, two thumbs up. Deny and Shred Mar 2014 #89

Great post, Ichingcarpenter. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #119

Credit goes to Richard Dolan Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #127

Personally, Sir, i Would Select Both the First And Third Options The Magistrate Mar 2014 #52

I would select the 3rd option for our Labour Party AND for the Dems... LeftishBrit Mar 2014 #100

But If Not Done Whole-Heartedly, Ma'am, It Does Not Work The Magistrate Mar 2014 #102

fighting against something whole-heartedly can sustain enthusiasm in the short run - but in the long Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #150

how about true blue but fed up with ineptitude - lack of Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2014 #71

Both parties are corrupt and venal, and I cannot support either one, as a party. bemildred Mar 2014 #75

^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #123

Precisely my view. Maedhros Mar 2014 #141

I will vote my principles. 99Forever Mar 2014 #80

How have you managed to vote in the past? BainsBane Mar 2014 #166

I cast my first vote in 1972. 99Forever Mar 2014 #169

Pretty much quit supporting the party at the national level hobbit709 Mar 2014 #81

#3 for me get the red out Mar 2014 #82

I voted 3, but I think there is a possibility of near term viable 3rd party. eom PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #90

What sort of third party? Adrahil Mar 2014 #101

Difficult to see, always in motion is the future. n/t PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #108

Ahhh, the Jedi... I could get behind that. nt Adrahil Mar 2014 #112

What party? There is no party? BlueStreak Mar 2014 #105

Very good point. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #120

And that is why I suggest our only path forward is a clear agenda BlueStreak Mar 2014 #122

That's a plan I would support. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #128

Polls indicate huge majorities support all of these items BlueStreak Mar 2014 #144

You are pretty much right. When I vote Democrat... Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #121

In the 2012 election cycle, I offered to the local Democratic Party BlueStreak Mar 2014 #125

Hi neighbor nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #171

In today's world, most of the resources go to the swing states BlueStreak Mar 2014 #172

It also does not help nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #174

Then you can imagine Texas, or the ghost town that is party structure. Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #175

Definitely. We need Howard Dean back BlueStreak Mar 2014 #179

Wendy has closed the gap to single digits in the latest poll. nt Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #181

The party leadership are multi-millionaires, elites, out of touch with everyday people. closeupready Mar 2014 #124

And the phenomena fredamae Mar 2014 #126

I vote for progressive candidates not for a party. bigwillq Mar 2014 #129

The critical number in this poll is the top one... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #140

Not into the poll, but... Atman Mar 2014 #143

one more for the fun of it Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #170

Such an obvious push poll, soon to be paraded to promote Todays_Illusion Mar 2014 #177

how one earth is this a push poll when the poll simply states the most commonly reflected opinions Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #180

once again Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #184