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Sheepshank

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103. loaded/push questions...do not serve well for open discussion.

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 02:18 PM

Mar 2014

1. Attempting a nationwide healthcare program is a Democratic principal that was derailed via Republican obstinacy. You don't want to see it that way, fine, but that doesn't make Obama an idiotic piece of shit used car salesman.

2. I was not a fan of the bailout. It played its part in stopping the hemorrhaging of jobs initiated under Bush, but that doesn't make Obama an idiotic piece of shit used car salesman.

3. There is more at play than pointing fingers and prosecuting previous POTUS's. The a whole volley of effects and accusations...bad enough we have Issa and Kenneth Star...can't imagine the entire opposing party going on a rampage. Presidents for good or bad stuck in a quagmire in indecision because of a future prosecution. Why is do you attempt to describe this a a purely Democratic principal when it appears to be employed evenly across party lines?.....but that doesn't make Obama an idiotic piece of shit used car salesman.

4. Are you talking about the few weeks there was a super majority in the first term? Why do you imply that there were bills stacked up and ready for a vote during those 8 or so weeks? Now your slip is showing. That still doesn't make Obama an idiotic piece of shit used car salesman.

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Are members of DU generally in support of a Dem President or not? [View all] Sheepshank Mar 2014 OP

I'm hoping a change in DU is coming soon to correct this wrong. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #1

I'm hoping so too, but if the jury system stays as it is, Nothing can Change. n/t Whisp Mar 2014 #93

That's true. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #151

Who cares? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #2

Was that a rhetorical question? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #8

Bushbots are undercover and often promote Repug policies. lark Mar 2014 #101

God, that was a condescending, dismissive statement. aquart Mar 2014 #113

Judicious and measured is what I want, too (Imagine McCain). The Neocons and other warmongers ... Hekate Mar 2014 #127

I had a fantastic international relations professor. aquart Mar 2014 #141

I wish I would have said it just like your post....it's where I was trying to go Sheepshank Mar 2014 #137

Perfectly stated, aquart. Control-Z Mar 2014 #159

That's just ugly on your part. Nt Hekate Mar 2014 #124

"traditional Democratic positions/policies" definitely pscot Mar 2014 #20

Well we ought to be talking about that NoOneMan Mar 2014 #28

Yup pscot Mar 2014 #32

errrr, I'm not angry Sheepshank Mar 2014 #46

I think what they mean is, money should stop going to the Democrats First... Whisp Mar 2014 #94

I heard no anger at all. Control-Z Mar 2014 #160

Ah, I read it as anger masked in whiny disapointment meta NoOneMan Mar 2014 #161

Of course you did. (nt) Control-Z Mar 2014 #162

yes 840high Mar 2014 #65

Well, we now have New Traditionalists Maedhros Mar 2014 #67

It's hard to recognize gradual change pscot Mar 2014 #89

Yes, exactly. Blue_In_AK Mar 2014 #107

Is there not room for support and criticism? n/t PrestonLocke Mar 2014 #3

absolutely..there should be both Sheepshank Mar 2014 #43

+++ lark Mar 2014 #102

Plenty of room for support AND criticism. MADem Mar 2014 #120

Political forums aren't for the thin-skinned LittleBlue Mar 2014 #4

You know what I loathe about this type of argument you make? Skidmore Mar 2014 #26

We do not need to arrive at a consensus LittleBlue Mar 2014 #33

Did I call for a purge? Skidmore Mar 2014 #51

Maybe we *should* have a purge. SwankyXomb Mar 2014 #62

I do believe that DU has trolls Skidmore Mar 2014 #114

"a call for a purge dressed as a plea for civility" zeemike Mar 2014 #77

Don't know about that since I didn't see that post. Skidmore Mar 2014 #111

I agree with you and the OP. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #105

Very nice!!! Sheepshank Mar 2014 #138

isn't it though! BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #153

Exactly! Well said, Skidmore. nt cry baby Mar 2014 #135

People run off the site for supporting Obama? tkmorris Mar 2014 #5

+1 G_j Mar 2014 #6

Mobs will throw bitrocks at you NoOneMan Mar 2014 #11

the same way one can get run out of a public park hfojvt Mar 2014 #14

are you implying that I'm making it up, that it hasn't happened? n/t Sheepshank Mar 2014 #66

Not really, no tkmorris Mar 2014 #131

Funny, I got the exact opposite impression. lark Mar 2014 #106

If you'd like to see what would happen if BOG- like standards were imposed on all of DU, check out quinnox Mar 2014 #7

It's kinda odd that there even has to be a BOG. DanTex Mar 2014 #9

If you support the Democratic president on DU, you have to do it underground. JTFrog Mar 2014 #71

Well, I think DU has always been more independent and free-thinking when compared to other political quinnox Mar 2014 #86

well groups in general hfojvt Mar 2014 #12

I understand why the BOG exists...I even visit occasionally Sheepshank Mar 2014 #146

I don't assume everyone is here for the same reason. Not all are here to support Democratic okaawhatever Mar 2014 #10

Why is supporting Democratic principles the same as supporting a government employee with a D? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #16

It depends on what government action they are protesting. If the gov't employee with a D next to okaawhatever Mar 2014 #30

OH noes! Socialism!! NoOneMan Mar 2014 #36

The Socialists have a different party platform than the Democrats. They will have several objections okaawhatever Mar 2014 #48

The Democratic Party is a coalition of many different groups NoOneMan Mar 2014 #52

Socialist country Lamonte Mar 2014 #100

I'm not running, anymore. Wait Wut Mar 2014 #13

SOP of GD says 'no whining about DU'. You seem to have serious issues with the admins Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #15

Actually I don't...have an issue with admin Sheepshank Mar 2014 #31

No one can be barred from DU by anyone but admin, yet you claim some are 'run off' Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #54

you can be obtuse and verbose at the same time...clever Sheepshank Mar 2014 #84

Ah, the 'personal attack when confronted with actual ideas' tactic. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #125

and yet your entire paragraph of judgements of how "I am" was fine? Nope n/t Sheepshank Mar 2014 #136

Anybody who wants to, for any reason they choose, can come here and post whatever they like. bemildred Mar 2014 #17

We are diverse as we should be. I think what has happened upaloopa Mar 2014 #18

Fanning the flames with the barrage of threads like this isnt helping. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #19

Meta threads, seems some cannot quit making them in GD. Rex Mar 2014 #23

yep nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #21

Progressives have a little trouble with authority. rrneck Mar 2014 #22

We (imo) generally support all who stand for Democratic principles. n/t PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #24

I'm in support of Presidents who BEHAVE LIKE DEMOCRATS. Not those who stick a "D" after their name kath Mar 2014 #25

You're not alone. 840high Mar 2014 #70

That's what has happened - a lot of people have had enough. polichick Mar 2014 #74

Ain't That The Truth! I Want To See ChiciB1 Mar 2014 #132

Amen. nt Nay Mar 2014 #108

Bingo LondonReign2 Mar 2014 #122

YES! And YES Again! ChiciB1 Mar 2014 #130

^^THIS^^ Kermitt Gribble Mar 2014 #158

Whining about DU. Meta is closed. morningfog Mar 2014 #27

Hyperbole pscot Mar 2014 #29

what part is hyperbole? Sheepshank Mar 2014 #35

Turning isolated events into sweeping generalizations pscot Mar 2014 #45

nope...I mention isolated incidents as examples of continuing activity Sheepshank Mar 2014 #68

why beholdest thou the mote pscot Mar 2014 #72

quoting biblical verse means very little to me Sheepshank Mar 2014 #87

Quelle surprise pscot Mar 2014 #91

Ponies are passe LondonReign2 Mar 2014 #123

I generally support Obama mackerel Mar 2014 #34

many are generally supportive of policies, of principles hfojvt Mar 2014 #37

Well said. polichick Mar 2014 #116

Nancy? Who is that you are refering to? Rex Mar 2014 #38

GD is now the Perpetually Disgruntled Group. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #39

No president is perfect. No president can be all things to all people. Yes, I support him. RKP5637 Mar 2014 #40

"Yes, I support him." <--- What does that mean? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #44

Yes, what you said sums it up well. "Does it just mean you "like" him more than you don't?" n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #56

Just curious. One face value, its a lot like "support the troops" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #58

It has. ""Support" has become cliche." Interesting points and very well taken! Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2014 #61

"Support" is much clearer when it is applied to policies, rather than individuals. Maedhros Mar 2014 #81

"As for the man himself, I can't say - I've never met him..." NoOneMan Mar 2014 #83

Yes lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #41

That is some seriously revisionist DU history. nt LeftyMom Mar 2014 #42

People Talking Past One Another... KharmaTrain Mar 2014 #47

We elected him to the office of President. We did not elect him to the office of Almighty God. Zorra Mar 2014 #49

Link to someone on DU who claimed Obama was God? FSogol Mar 2014 #55

lol....someone accused me of hyperbole, and clearly missed this one. Sheepshank Mar 2014 #88

They are more like fans than followers. Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #85

if only these provocateurs would stop messing with our perfect world, damn it! nm JohnRogan Mar 2014 #50

We are lucky enough to have the best president since FDR, mwrguy Mar 2014 #53

I Wonder mrchips Mar 2014 #57

Leave the whining to Rush and Sean, let them continue to make am a$$ of themselves. Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #59

The last President was a piece of shit. dilby Mar 2014 #60

The Democratic Party doesn't mean shit to me joeglow3 Mar 2014 #63

I understand that...i don't think anyone (including OP) said differently Sheepshank Mar 2014 #96

Didactically rigid, much? This is a big tent party. aquart Mar 2014 #119

how do you feel about posts and posters that call another DUer a RW racist? DrDan Mar 2014 #64

I feel right at home. madamesilverspurs Mar 2014 #69

A Dem President would probably be great. I'm hopeful we get one in the not too distant future. nt NorthCarolina Mar 2014 #73

Forrealz! Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #82

show me a Democratic president RandoLoodie Mar 2014 #75

Enjoy your stay PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #80

Same to you RandoLoodie Mar 2014 #95

I'm supportive of people who do the right thing FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #76

Some of us can be "generally supportive" without having to reiterate that fact in every post. beerandjesus Mar 2014 #78

This is a bad Friday for news and talking about news. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2014 #79

Not Judging, Just Asking............ Fred Gilmore Mar 2014 #90

loaded/push questions...do not serve well for open discussion. Sheepshank Mar 2014 #103

OK Fred Gilmore Mar 2014 #118

Welcome to DU. nt LWolf Mar 2014 #157

Meta!!! Iggo Mar 2014 #92

It Isn't Just DU tea and oranges Mar 2014 #97

I support having a LWolf Mar 2014 #98

Its a two way street Fearless Mar 2014 #99

I am generally in support of a Dem president Blue_In_AK Mar 2014 #104

You should have heard me rail against Clinton back in the 90s. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #109

I asked the OP how he or she dealt with DOMA and DADT under Clinton, as many of us Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #126

People forget our creed - Question Authority. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #128

I must have missed your question, to assume I'm avoiding you is a mischaractarization.... Sheepshank Mar 2014 #145

Apparently DUers support a Dem prez only when we have a Republican in the White House Hekate Mar 2014 #110

Well said Egnever Mar 2014 #115

And then when POTUS actually has to govern Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #140

And what gets me is that the folks that exhibit this deranged and pathological behavior Number23 Mar 2014 #143

Generally Yes fascisthunter Mar 2014 #112

Nonsense! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #117

As soon as we get one let me know. Thanks. n/t DeSwiss Mar 2014 #121

Supportive, certainly ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #129

DU rec. Fuck the haters...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #133

Define "support"... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #134

Yes ... oldhippie Mar 2014 #139

Sheepshank, Nance was just on DU a few days ago! Number23 Mar 2014 #142

TY for the link, #23! That was a great little exchange.... Hekate Mar 2014 #147

In addition to being smart she is just such a fun person. She has a wicked sense of humor Number23 Mar 2014 #148

Well, thank you m'dear. I follow links to there and it always looks so interesting. Hekate Mar 2014 #150

Generally cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #144

I support a democratic President Gothmog Mar 2014 #149

Support or non-support of Obama is irrelevant -- he has been elected and is a lame duck FarCenter Mar 2014 #152

He isn't irrelevant. He still has to try to get work done and he needs our support, pnwmom Mar 2014 #154

So the relevant people to support/non-support are candidates for Congress FarCenter Mar 2014 #155

What did the Democratic President do and I'll tell you if I support it or not. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #156

I support Democratic Party values eridani Mar 2014 #163