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98. No, it is absurd to think objections about Russia's actions cannot be articulated without polishing

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 05:55 PM

Mar 2014

that Turd.

The only reason is a lame defense of brazen hypocrisy as our war criminals are banging the drums on the TV perhaps as we speak with just the mention of accountability brings scoffing and derision from even their supposed enemies that scream and scream about how awful these folks are until it is time for justice or even meaningful change of heading and then the tune changes and the wagons start rolling in a circular direction and the all they ever did not just tolerable but wise and just with decorative legal touches that leave the stinking meat intact.

Iraq is not history, the perps are hanging around and not without considerable influence and wealth. Erosion of credibility is real, I'm sure we didn't have much influence lecturing on slavery in 1867 either, you build that up over time with different actions.

Hell, we are in other countries right now and it is a damn flimsy pretext to pretend nobility because instead of planting the stars and stripes we just capture and hold for corporate logos instead.

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So, Obama Should Say: "We invaded Iraq, so we cannot say anything about Russia." Really?!?! [View all] Yavin4 Mar 2014 OP

I'm all for kicking out of DEMOCRATIC Underground anyone who's not for DEMOCRATIC Party Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #1

What's President Obama running for? Igel Mar 2014 #16

She said Democratic Party, we will be having elections in 2014 and 2016, we Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #53

How about left-wing spin? You know, condemning an illegal war, stuff like that? Scuba Mar 2014 #75

I would prefer to use energy on the 2014 elections to elect Democrats rather Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #76

So you think it hurts Democrats to stand up for ideals like not entering into illegal wars? Scuba Mar 2014 #78

What ilegal war are you talking about? Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #79

Any illegal war. Scuba Mar 2014 #81

Tell me how this is going to entice votes for Democrats? Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #83

Most Democratic voters have strong feelings about illegal wars. Opposing them is good politics. Scuba Mar 2014 #84

+1 Go Vols Mar 2014 #96

Let's say you are coaching a football game, there is a call you do not agree with, your team loses Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #99

Worst analogy ever. Let's try to fix that .... Scuba Mar 2014 #100

If your world remains in the past, then this is where you will remain, I choose Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #101

He who ignores history is doomed to repeat it. Scuba Mar 2014 #102

Hahahaha fascisthunter Mar 2014 #82

Country before party. When the president is right, I support him. When the president is wrong Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #19

I don't think anyone would disagree leftynyc Mar 2014 #45

I think Stalin said something like that once RandoLoodie Mar 2014 #58

I think Stalin died 48 years before DU existed & 16 years before the first Arpanet linked computers stevenleser Mar 2014 #62

ok RandoLoodie Mar 2014 #68

I can totally understand you wanting to back away from your silly comparison. stevenleser Mar 2014 #69

i read the initial comment RandoLoodie Mar 2014 #70

I don't think it did Steven tkmorris Mar 2014 #90

Of course it did and the problems with the statement are much greater. I was being nice. stevenleser Mar 2014 #97

Stalin also said, "good morning..." once. LanternWaste Mar 2014 #80

DemocraticAboveGroundDoNotCritisizeLoyaltyPledgeRequired.com NoOneMan Mar 2014 #71

Welcome to the party giftedgirl77 Mar 2014 #2

Let me say this BrainMann1 Mar 2014 #3

We have no leg to stand on with regard to Iraq - better not to mention it. polichick Mar 2014 #4

Not his style. He's more of a "here's the elephant in the room, let's acknowledge it" guy. Squinch Mar 2014 #13

100% agreed MirrorAshes Mar 2014 #35

. Squinch Mar 2014 #43

If you're going to talk about the elephant, then don't bullshit... polichick Mar 2014 #48

That's essentially what he did say. But he also said that the two wrongs were different. Which they Squinch Mar 2014 #50

Yeah, here's the difference: the U.S. did one, Russia did the other. polichick Mar 2014 #61

OK, but he's pretty much saying what you want him to say, though in more Squinch Mar 2014 #63

"diplomatic-situation-appropriate language" = bullshit polichick Mar 2014 #64

Why don't you send him a note with the verbiage you'd prefer him to use to say the same thing that Squinch Mar 2014 #66

Where did he say "The U.S. was wrong to invade Iraq?" That's what this... polichick Mar 2014 #67

Plus we can be pretty sure that saying nothing treestar Mar 2014 #5

No. He should have said, just like Iraq, the action is Crimea was wrong. truebrit71 Mar 2014 #6

Can you link to a post that says this? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #7

There's a dozen or so in Will's latest screed jeff47 Mar 2014 #23

No, that's stupid thinking.. especially since State Senator Obama was totally against it. Cha Mar 2014 #8

How about "our mistakes don't justify your mistakes." NOVA_Dem Mar 2014 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Mar 2014 #10

Are you whining about DU? What is it, like five threads a day? You guys rhett o rick Mar 2014 #11

that's my way of thinking CatWoman Mar 2014 #12

I agree Progressive dog Mar 2014 #14

You call this an invasion? GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #15

No, but maybe have the guts to say the invasion of Iraq was wrong, instead of quinnox Mar 2014 #17

I hope so, too. 840high Mar 2014 #20

Do women have cajones? nt hack89 Mar 2014 #94

false equivalence is fun bobduca Mar 2014 #18

I'd give 'em points for not giving up Skittles Mar 2014 #25

"Some People" clearly have no issues with Smear Merchants bobduca Mar 2014 #29

DU Obama hatred. LOL bullshit. He didn't need to try and justify the invasion. morningfog Mar 2014 #21

absolutely correct Skittles Mar 2014 #24

More bullshit leftynyc Mar 2014 #46

He didn't have to say what he said. morningfog Mar 2014 #49

Just stop leftynyc Mar 2014 #55

You are interpreting too. Kindly don't tell me when to stop. morningfog Mar 2014 #56

If the people upset with that speech had one of their picks in power, GiveMeMorePIE Mar 2014 #22

Pizza Pie? bobduca Mar 2014 #26

Welcome to DU.. GiveMeMorePIE.. never mind the Cha Mar 2014 #30

Thank you. GiveMeMorePIE Mar 2014 #36

LOL.. Cha Mar 2014 #37

He should have said, the Iraq invasion was illegal. morningfog Mar 2014 #27

some people aren't real bright snooper2 Mar 2014 #28

yes, like people who cannot distinguish between trolls and legitimate criticism Skittles Mar 2014 #31

No, he should say... mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #32

Yeah, the head hater has an ugly con site jerking off.. Cha Mar 2014 #33

The dick over there didn't even link back. fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #34

We here at DU usually demand proof in the form of links. If Cha hadn't added it she would have been stevenleser Mar 2014 #65

He could have been saying, "My administration prosecuted war criminals in the US" DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #38

+1 JVS Mar 2014 #39

No, he should prosecute torture and war crimes. JoeyT Mar 2014 #40

+1. Teabaggers or Firebaggers. Who the hell can tell the difference these days? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #41

No. Hissyspit Mar 2014 #42

Yeah, who needs credibility anyway? nt bemildred Mar 2014 #44

More To The Point, Perhaps, My Friend The Magistrate Mar 2014 #47

I can see that side of it. bemildred Mar 2014 #51

Just One More Illustration, Sir, That Sometimes There Is Just No Good Choice To Hand The Magistrate Mar 2014 #52

Ahem. Charcoal Grey is far superior to taupe. riqster Mar 2014 #77

I reject both hues, in favor of puce. MineralMan Mar 2014 #87

Harrumph. For puce-ists, we move from �p�e to broadswords! riqster Mar 2014 #88

I shun the wearers of charcoal and eschew those who MineralMan Mar 2014 #89

Eet eez var, now. Zee puce-inistas are inzidiouz adezareez. riqster Mar 2014 #91

I scoff at your threat and say: MineralMan Mar 2014 #92

Cow coming over the ramparts in 3...2....1.... riqster Mar 2014 #93

You have my thanks. My cow died early this morning, MineralMan Mar 2014 #95

Perfectly stated. Squinch Mar 2014 #59

I can understand all sides of the argument. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #54

No; he should have said, "Putin should have asked for UN permission!" WinkyDink Mar 2014 #57

Or, "The Iraq invasion was probably illegal, certainly a financial and humanitarian disaster, Doctor_J Mar 2014 #60

Yes, that's how credibility works... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #72

There needs to be an acknowledgment of our failure. Orsino Mar 2014 #73

The Obama rules are always in effect around here MrScorpio Mar 2014 #74

Perhaps he should consider getting another speech writer. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #85

President Obama distinguished the Iraq war from the situation in Crimea Gothmog Mar 2014 #86

No, it is absurd to think objections about Russia's actions cannot be articulated without polishing TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #98