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Catherina

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Fri Mar 28, 2014, 10:14 PM Mar 2014

NATO country (Turkey) just caught planning a false flag attack to jumpstart war against Syria [View all]

A NATO member country (Turkey) was just caught planning a false flag war, by instigating a fake "Syrian" attack on technically Turkish soil which would give NATO-member Turkey a *legal* pretext to jump in the war against Syria. The Western press, which is owned by the same corporations that buy our government every election cycle, is minimizing this to "Turkey bans YouTube". There's a thread in LBN about this "Turkey blocks access to YouTube after leaked recordings of key security meeting".

Turkey blocked twitter after the first leak, of Erdogan calling his son to move a ton of money around for him and hide it, prompted growing calls for him to resign. This Syria business that just came out is the second leak and now Youtube is blocked there with talk of blocking other social media like Facebook too.

Look at this deceitful, minimized, nothing-to-see-here reporting from CNN:


(CNN) -- The Turkish government banned YouTube on Thursday, less than a week after Ankara made a similar blackout of the social networking site Twitter, which is estimated to have more than 10 million Turkish users.

Neither website can be reached on Turkish Internet networks.

The crackdown comes just days before Turks are expected to go to the polls in nationwide municipal elections.

The Turkish government said its YouTube block came as a response to the leak of a conversation between top government officials purportedly discussing the possibility of going to war with neighboring Syria.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/27/world/europe/turkey-youtube-blocked/

Our entire MSM is whistling the same tune with little variation.

BBC: "Earlier, what appeared to be a leaked audio recording of Turkish officials discussing Syria appeared on YouTube.

It relates to a discussion of possible military operations in Syria, which was apparently attended by Turkey's intelligence chief, its foreign minister and the deputy head of the armed forces."

The Independent:"YouTube has been blocked in Turkey after alleged leaks of high-level security talks regarding Syria were uploaded to the site."

Bloomberg: "Turkey defended its decision to block YouTube after a leaked recording of a meeting where top officials discussed a possible military incursion into Syria appeared on the site."

Channel 4: "YouTube was blocked on Thursday after an anonymous account posted what it presented as a recording of intelligence chief Hakan Fidan discussing possible military operations in Syria with Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, Deputy Chief of Military Staff Yasar Guler, and others."

Daily Mail: "Block comes after leaked audio seems to record Turkish officials discussing Syria"

CNN: "The Turkish government said its YouTube block came as a response to the leak of a conversation between top government officials purportedly discussing the possibility of going to war with neighboring Syria."

and finally some important information from Reuters which seems to be the only Western outlet out there with any integrity.

"They even leaked a national security meeting," Erdogan said at a campaign rally. "This is villainous, this is dishonesty ... Who are you serving by doing audio surveillance of such an important meeting?"

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"NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE"

Turkey threatened two weeks ago to retaliate for any attack on the tomb following clashes between militants of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), an al Qaeda breakaway group, and rival rebel groups in the area, east of Aleppo near the Turkish border.

"An operation against ISIL has international legitimacy. We will define it as al Qaeda. There are no issues on the al Qaeda framework. When it comes to the Suleyman Shah tomb, it's about the protection of national soil," a voice presented as that of foreign ministry undersecretary Feridun Sinirlioglu says.

When the discussion turns to the need to justify such an operation, the voice purportedly of Fidan says: "Now look, my commander, if there is to be justification, the justification is, I send four men to the other side. I get them to fire eight missiles into empty land. That's not a problem. Justification can be created."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/27/us-syria-crisis-turkey-idUSBREA2Q17420140327

Then the whole story and transcript

RT: YouTube ban: How Turkish officials conspired to stage Syria attack to provoke war

“I'll make up a cause of war by ordering a missile attack on Turkey.” This leaked conversation is coming back to haunt the highest echelons of the Turkish government as it plans a provocation in Syria, while scrambling to contain social media internally.

The leaked audiotapes that reveal Turkey’s highest ministers staging an anti-Assad military intervention in Syria, have already caused YouTube to be shut down in the country, as well as leading to fevered accusations of treachery and betrayal of Turkey’s political interests – “a declaration of war,” as Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu put it.

This is of course after intelligence chief Hakan Fidan suggested seizing the opportunity to secure Turkish intervention in the Syrian conflict - a war that has already claimed 140,000 lives, and counting. In the conversation, Davutoğlu is heard saying that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan sees any attack as an "opportunity" to increase troop presence in Syria, where it has staunchly supported the anti-Assad rebels.


Below is a transcript of that conversation in full. The video can be found below.

(+ full transcipt, + video)


A few more details. It's all over the net. You can research it yourselves.

Hakan Fidan: “I’ll send 4 men from Syria, if that’s what it takes. I’ll make up a cause of war by ordering a missile attack on Turkey; we can also prepare an attack on Suleiman Shah Tomb if necessary.”

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: “Our national security has become a common, cheap domestic policy outfit.”

Yaşar Güler: “It’s a direct cause of war. I mean, what we’re going to do is a direct cause of war.”

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Feridun Sinirlioğlu: But if we decide on an operation in there, it should create a shocking effect. I mean, if we are going to do so. I don’t know what we’re going to do, but regardless of what we decide, I don’t think it’d be appropriate to notify anyone beforehand.

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Feridun Sinirlioğlu: That’s what I told back there. For one thing, the situation is different. An operation on ISIL has solid ground on international law. We’re going to portray this is Al-Qaeda, there’s no distress there if it’s a matter regarding Al-Qaeda. And if it comes to defending Suleiman Shah Tomb, that’s a matter of protecting our land.

Yaşar Güler: We don’t have any problems with that.

Hakan Fidan: Second after it happens, it’ll cause a great internal commotion (several bombing events is bound to happen within). The border is not under control…

Feridun Sinirlioğlu: I mean, yes, the bombings are of course going to happen. But I remember our talk from 3 years ago…

Yaşar Güler: Mr. Fidan should urgently receive back-up and we need to help him supply guns and ammo to rebels.

http://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/21ib4d/leaked_recording_of_turkish_officials_discussing/



The tomb of Suleyman Shah is sovereign territory of Turkey under a treaty signed with France in 1921 while Syria was still under colonial rule. Turkey maintains a force of two dozen special forces soldiers at the tomb to permanently guard it. ISIL and other rebels groups fighting Assad have clashed near the tomb.


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Turkey has blocked access to YouTube in an attempt to stop the video from being disseminated. This block follows a week after the Turkish government blocked Twitter in a similar desperate bid to limit the reach of other damaging leaked recordings.

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When asked about justification for an incursion into Syria, intelligence chief Hakan Fidan allegedly responded: "Justification can be created. The matter is to create the will."

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http://www.businessinsider.com/erdogan-leak-about-syria-2014-3

Here's a Reuters video about this


The Young Turks has been discussing this too.

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Edrogan is one of the biggest promoters of terror in the region. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #1
All week long, Turkish media has been carrying stories about a supposed tomb threat by ISIL Catherina Mar 2014 #3
Too bad YouTube wasn't around for all the false-flag ops by US and Isareal in the past. nt kelliekat44 Mar 2014 #79
I think NATO needs to be disbanded, or reduced significantly quinnox Mar 2014 #2
I highly doubt that Turkey is acting in Syria without the ok of a certain more powerful NATO member JVS Mar 2014 #5
See the last 2 excerpts in post 3 and this excerpt Catherina Mar 2014 #8
Turkey denied the United States land access cheapdate Mar 2014 #15
I think the same thing. It's gone way beyond the Atlantic Coast Catherina Mar 2014 #7
I agree. Fuck NATO. Its a relic at this point. quinnox Mar 2014 #9
A dangerous animal desperately seeking a reason to continue existing n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #14
Chomsky strikes at the heart of the matter... 2banon Mar 2014 #66
+1 Gorbachev should have consulted with the native Americans who got the same kind of promises Catherina Mar 2014 #69
Dishonoring treaties and agreements not to mention the contemptible hypocrisy... 2banon Mar 2014 #77
And now the world is pointing out the obvious hypocrisy of our claims. Something that sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #81
Beautiful post but disagree on "not even halfway". We haven't even begun Catherina Mar 2014 #89
NATO has become nothing more that the "Enforcement Arm" of the GLobal Banks and the IMF. bvar22 Mar 2014 #64
+1 You really have to admire the diabolicalness of it. Catherina Mar 2014 #71
and we have the willfully ignorant supporters of these policies in the party that's supposed 2banon Mar 2014 #84
They've gone beyond being parodies in an ever shrinking circle jerk n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #90
+1 [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2014 #78
YAEP nationalize the fed Mar 2014 #4
Read the 2 KOS diaries in post 3. Stupid me, I really thought it was just pre-election censorship Catherina Mar 2014 #10
Recommend!...thanks...hadn't seen this anywhere... KoKo Mar 2014 #6
It's like the Ashton and Nuland tapes. Not getting any exposure by our corrupt MSM Catherina Mar 2014 #12
Exactly...I saw some mumbling on Bloomberg Business about Turkey blocking Twitter KoKo Mar 2014 #24
Same here. This is the most blatant and shameful example I've witnessed n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #73
The neocons in State & Defense are throbbing for war in Syria and Iran Oilwellian Mar 2014 #11
That was one of their goals but I'm not letting neolibs off the hook Catherina Mar 2014 #13
You make a very good point Oilwellian Mar 2014 #16
Well.... McCain was there to represent them. Catherina Mar 2014 #17
Fred Kagan is her husband's brother dreamnightwind Mar 2014 #46
No, not good at all Catherina Mar 2014 #49
Indeed! I appreciate certain metaphors used here. :) 2banon Mar 2014 #85
Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't pick up on that until ur post. +1000 for those metaphors! n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #91
The NYT. Decent report lacking details though Catherina Mar 2014 #18
K & R for another excellent post. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #19
I highly doubt so too. If they had, it would be on he front page of every single paper Catherina Mar 2014 #30
Turkish journalist detained over leak of key Syria meeting dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #20
lists of "suspects", including well-known journalists, are already ready and mass arrests coming Catherina Mar 2014 #31
Kicking for reading later today. Thanks for bringing so much information. It's all important. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2014 #21
I've been wondering when Erdogan would try to create a distraction. bemildred Mar 2014 #22
K&R woo me with science Mar 2014 #23
kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #25
Im not surprised. darkangel218 Mar 2014 #26
Meanwhile, the US is ratcheting up its own war on Syria Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #27
At the same time another NATO country is busted discussing a false flag operation Catherina Mar 2014 #43
Re: Media, missing the story as usual... JackRiddler Mar 2014 #28
Great point. But missing or suppressing? Catherina Mar 2014 #48
I'm shocked I tell you malaise Mar 2014 #29
FOX News (#Fail)): " Jihadist threat against sacred Turkish tomb threatens to widen Syria's war" Catherina Mar 2014 #32
K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #33
(Saturday) Syria Urges UN Probe into Audio Leak of Turkey Plot Catherina Mar 2014 #34
Good catch. I wondering why they started blathering on about that tomb all of a sudden. bemildred Mar 2014 #36
I read comments from many Turkish people who said they never even heard of this tomb Catherina Mar 2014 #39
I knew it was some form of bullshit. bemildred Mar 2014 #41
I agree, they should but they won't Catherina Mar 2014 #52
Good. It looks like Turkey may have its own Snowden doing what's right. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #35
We are all Snowdens now. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #38
In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #40
+1 All political thinking for years past has been vitiated in the same way. Catherina Mar 2014 #53
Erdogan blames the opposition. I'm closer to you. I think a new front in cyberwarfare has opened Catherina Mar 2014 #42
They are going to throw more people and money at the "problem". bemildred Mar 2014 #45
Lol! Catherina Mar 2014 #56
And THAT^ is what it will take to behead the Hydra.... bvar22 Mar 2014 #67
I didn't know Cheney made a direct threat against Wellstone. 2banon Mar 2014 #68
It is all hearsay, bvar22 Mar 2014 #70
wsws: "Turkish officials plan false-flag attacks to create pretext for war with Syria" Catherina Mar 2014 #37
Belgium has a king. Belgium is a member of NATO. Therefore, NATO is to blame! randome Mar 2014 #44
These threads are ProSense Mar 2014 #50
The ditto-heads cackling and congratulating themselves for seeing through the illusion. randome Mar 2014 #51
it's typical conspiracy theory BS JI7 Mar 2014 #58
Basically. joshcryer Mar 2014 #80
Hungary clamping down on media freedom and human rights, report says randome Mar 2014 #47
kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #54
US Dept of State responds:“In terms of the alleged recordings, just aren't going to have any comment Catherina Mar 2014 #55
I guess the State Department doesn't have translators? Lots of people in the US could sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #101
Yeah, if it was Russia, we'd never hear the end of this story. Catherina Mar 2014 #105
US Dept of State, Daily Press Briefing- 'No comment' Catherina Mar 2014 #57
Outstanding report and analysis Catherina 2banon Mar 2014 #59
Thank you. I appreciate your support and the support of the other respected recommenders. Catherina Mar 2014 #62
Reuters: Turkey begins espionage investigation after Syria leak Catherina Mar 2014 #60
So now the MSM is good? ProSense Mar 2014 #61
Shh. She's busy responding to a post by Catherina. randome Mar 2014 #65
Turkey prohibits news coverage, reporting, commentary etc... of the recently released recordings Catherina Mar 2014 #63
Too bad our ally over there cannot censor the World. So they were planning to attack themselves, sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #82
It's sickening. The press complicity is even more sickening Catherina Mar 2014 #93
WOW. bvar22 Mar 2014 #72
Does it? Thank you bvar22. I think it's nice too n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #74
Now that bvar22 mentions it... DireStrike Mar 2014 #87
Between the features to ignore certain posters and auto-trashing threads by keyword Catherina Mar 2014 #92
it's another country, G_j Mar 2014 #99
"Turkey to scrutinise foreign office after espionage leak"... "everyone and everything" Catherina Mar 2014 #75
Looks like they were plotting a CRIME, and they have they have the nerve to ignore what was revealed sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #94
An international crime for which past criminals were hung at Nuremberg Catherina Mar 2014 #96
I was told on DU that there no rule of law for the Ruling Class and it is foolish of us to demand sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #97
Pres Carter wins this one: "“America does not at the moment have a functioning democracy,” Catherina Mar 2014 #103
"Google Says Public DNS Intercepted by ISPs in Turkey" Catherina Mar 2014 #76
Thanks, Obama. nt Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #83
K&R cprise Mar 2014 #86
Turkey violates Greek airspace all the time. Emelina Mar 2014 #88
That's the added bonus n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #95
Erdogan is Turkey's Bush. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #98
Yes! ^^This^^ n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #104
Thanks...I posted this story last week and it fell off the table Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #100
Kicking this thread again, bvar22 Mar 2014 #102
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