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In reply to the discussion: NATO country (Turkey) just caught planning a false flag attack to jumpstart war against Syria [View all]Catherina
(35,568 posts)7. I think the same thing. It's gone way beyond the Atlantic Coast
It's just a huge multi-trillion dollar suckhole at this point, an old boy colonial network securing oil for the same people who are bleeding us dry.
I like Chomsky's short answer
How should NATO develop? Immediately disband.
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Q. A question asked more and more is what is NATO for? If no one knows what it is for, why do you think it has survived 20 years after the end of the Cold War?
Professor Chomsky: Yes, that is the right question, isnt it? You might ask why it lasted even one month after the end of the Cold War. Why did it survive? If you look back to when the Soviet Union collapsed, Gorbachev agreed to a quite remarkable concession. He agreed to let a united Germany join the NATO military alliance. Now it is remarkable in the light of history, the history of the past century, Germany alone had virtually destroyed Russia, twice, and Germany, backed by a hostile military alliance, centered in the most phenomenal military power in history, thats a real threat. Nevertheless he agreed, but there was a quid pro quo, namely that NATO should not expand to the East, so Russia would at least have a kind of security zone. And George Bush and then-Secretary of State James Baker agreed that NATO would not expand one inch to the East. Gorbachev also proposed a nuclear free weapons zone in the region, but the US wouldnt consider that. I dont think they even replied to the proposal. So that was it, no more Soviet Union game over.
So what did the Bush administration do? They issued a defense strategy document that effectively said that the real threat was actually the advanced technological level of third world countries and the need to preserve the superiority of the US technological military industrial base, problems not attributable to the Kremlin. So suddenly the original threat turns out to be a lie and it is business as usual for NATO.
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Q. How do you see NATO developing in the future?
A. If the question was How ought NATO to develop? the answer is immediate disbandment. In reality there is little sign of change. You may have noticed that despite the financial crisis there is no serious attempt to limit US military spending since Obama became President. They may cancel some expensive high tech projects like purchase of the F22 fighter. You dont need those sorts of planes for the sort of wars we have now. Before Bush left office 30 billion dollars was voted to support Israel over ten years. Today Israel is just a military outpost of the United States. The plan is to increase the number of ground troops. Thats what you need for the sort of wars they plan. Look, during the Gaza invasion the United States planned to deliver thousands of tons of ammunition to Israel in German ships via Greece. The Greeks stopped it, so they have to find some other way to send it, but the Pentagon said it was for pre-positioning for future conflicts.
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http://rt.com/politics/how-should-nato-develop-immediately-disband/
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Q. A question asked more and more is what is NATO for? If no one knows what it is for, why do you think it has survived 20 years after the end of the Cold War?
Professor Chomsky: Yes, that is the right question, isnt it? You might ask why it lasted even one month after the end of the Cold War. Why did it survive? If you look back to when the Soviet Union collapsed, Gorbachev agreed to a quite remarkable concession. He agreed to let a united Germany join the NATO military alliance. Now it is remarkable in the light of history, the history of the past century, Germany alone had virtually destroyed Russia, twice, and Germany, backed by a hostile military alliance, centered in the most phenomenal military power in history, thats a real threat. Nevertheless he agreed, but there was a quid pro quo, namely that NATO should not expand to the East, so Russia would at least have a kind of security zone. And George Bush and then-Secretary of State James Baker agreed that NATO would not expand one inch to the East. Gorbachev also proposed a nuclear free weapons zone in the region, but the US wouldnt consider that. I dont think they even replied to the proposal. So that was it, no more Soviet Union game over.
So what did the Bush administration do? They issued a defense strategy document that effectively said that the real threat was actually the advanced technological level of third world countries and the need to preserve the superiority of the US technological military industrial base, problems not attributable to the Kremlin. So suddenly the original threat turns out to be a lie and it is business as usual for NATO.
...
Q. How do you see NATO developing in the future?
A. If the question was How ought NATO to develop? the answer is immediate disbandment. In reality there is little sign of change. You may have noticed that despite the financial crisis there is no serious attempt to limit US military spending since Obama became President. They may cancel some expensive high tech projects like purchase of the F22 fighter. You dont need those sorts of planes for the sort of wars we have now. Before Bush left office 30 billion dollars was voted to support Israel over ten years. Today Israel is just a military outpost of the United States. The plan is to increase the number of ground troops. Thats what you need for the sort of wars they plan. Look, during the Gaza invasion the United States planned to deliver thousands of tons of ammunition to Israel in German ships via Greece. The Greeks stopped it, so they have to find some other way to send it, but the Pentagon said it was for pre-positioning for future conflicts.
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http://rt.com/politics/how-should-nato-develop-immediately-disband/
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NATO country (Turkey) just caught planning a false flag attack to jumpstart war against Syria [View all]
Catherina
Mar 2014
OP
All week long, Turkish media has been carrying stories about a supposed tomb threat by ISIL
Catherina
Mar 2014
#3
Too bad YouTube wasn't around for all the false-flag ops by US and Isareal in the past. nt
kelliekat44
Mar 2014
#79
I highly doubt that Turkey is acting in Syria without the ok of a certain more powerful NATO member
JVS
Mar 2014
#5
+1 Gorbachev should have consulted with the native Americans who got the same kind of promises
Catherina
Mar 2014
#69
Dishonoring treaties and agreements not to mention the contemptible hypocrisy...
2banon
Mar 2014
#77
And now the world is pointing out the obvious hypocrisy of our claims. Something that
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#81
NATO has become nothing more that the "Enforcement Arm" of the GLobal Banks and the IMF.
bvar22
Mar 2014
#64
and we have the willfully ignorant supporters of these policies in the party that's supposed
2banon
Mar 2014
#84
Read the 2 KOS diaries in post 3. Stupid me, I really thought it was just pre-election censorship
Catherina
Mar 2014
#10
It's like the Ashton and Nuland tapes. Not getting any exposure by our corrupt MSM
Catherina
Mar 2014
#12
Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't pick up on that until ur post. +1000 for those metaphors! n/t
Catherina
Mar 2014
#91
I highly doubt so too. If they had, it would be on he front page of every single paper
Catherina
Mar 2014
#30
lists of "suspects", including well-known journalists, are already ready and mass arrests coming
Catherina
Mar 2014
#31
Kicking for reading later today. Thanks for bringing so much information. It's all important. n/t
Judi Lynn
Mar 2014
#21
At the same time another NATO country is busted discussing a false flag operation
Catherina
Mar 2014
#43
FOX News (#Fail)): " Jihadist threat against sacred Turkish tomb threatens to widen Syria's war"
Catherina
Mar 2014
#32
Good catch. I wondering why they started blathering on about that tomb all of a sudden.
bemildred
Mar 2014
#36
I read comments from many Turkish people who said they never even heard of this tomb
Catherina
Mar 2014
#39
Good. It looks like Turkey may have its own Snowden doing what's right.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#35
In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#40
Erdogan blames the opposition. I'm closer to you. I think a new front in cyberwarfare has opened
Catherina
Mar 2014
#42
wsws: "Turkish officials plan false-flag attacks to create pretext for war with Syria"
Catherina
Mar 2014
#37
The ditto-heads cackling and congratulating themselves for seeing through the illusion.
randome
Mar 2014
#51
US Dept of State responds:“In terms of the alleged recordings, just aren't going to have any comment
Catherina
Mar 2014
#55
I guess the State Department doesn't have translators? Lots of people in the US could
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#101
Thank you. I appreciate your support and the support of the other respected recommenders.
Catherina
Mar 2014
#62
Turkey prohibits news coverage, reporting, commentary etc... of the recently released recordings
Catherina
Mar 2014
#63
Too bad our ally over there cannot censor the World. So they were planning to attack themselves,
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#82
Between the features to ignore certain posters and auto-trashing threads by keyword
Catherina
Mar 2014
#92
"Turkey to scrutinise foreign office after espionage leak"... "everyone and everything"
Catherina
Mar 2014
#75
Looks like they were plotting a CRIME, and they have they have the nerve to ignore what was revealed
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#94
I was told on DU that there no rule of law for the Ruling Class and it is foolish of us to demand
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#97
Pres Carter wins this one: "“America does not at the moment have a functioning democracy,”
Catherina
Mar 2014
#103