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grasswire

(50,130 posts)
55. the fine line of fascism
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 04:52 PM
Mar 2012

from wikipedia on citizen informants:

The use of citizen informant networks dates at least as far back as the Roman Empire. Delatores (informants) were recruited from all classes of society, including knights, freedmen, slaves, wealthy families, philosophers, literary men, court officials, lawyers, etc. Similar to the TIPS program, it was an "all hands on deck" approach to empire security. Setups were routine, and informants sometimes received a portion of the land of those who they helped destroy.

More recently the fascist dictatorship of Portugal used the International and State Defense Police (PIDE) as the main instrument of political oppression. It consisted of secret police and a vast network of Bufos (plain-clothed citizen informants), who were apparently on every block. Money and a need for recognition (a pat on the back) motivated them. Second only to the Stasi in its thoroughness, the PIDE neutralized all opposition to the dictatorship.

Other countries have used massive citizen informant networks to destroy perceived opposition to dictatorial rule as well. In Czechoslovakia they served the Czechoslovak State Security (StB), and in Poland they worked for the Ministry of Public Security (MBP). The citizen informants of the State Protection Authority (AVH) ensured the survival of the Hungarian dictatorship. Targets were harassed, threatened, confined to mental institutions, tortured, blackmailed, and framed. Even their friends and family were co-opted to persecute them.

Probably the best recent example of citizens Gang Stalking people on behalf of the state is East Germany. In Germany the plain-clothed citizen informants were called IMs (inofizielle mitarbeiter), or "unofficial collaborators." Unofficial means that they unofficially worked for the Ministry of State Security (MfS), also called the Stasi. For her book, Stasiland, Funder interviewed former IMs, targets, Stasi Psychologists, and professors who trained IM recruiters in Spezialdisziplin (the art of recruiting informants). "The IMs," wrote Funder, "were 'inofizielle mitarbeiter' or unofficial collaborators [plain-clothed citizen informants]."

Funder continued, "In the GDR, there was one Stasi officer or informant for every sixty-three people. If part-time informers are included, some estimates have the ratio as high as one informer for every 6.5 citizens." In his book, Stasi: The East German Secret Police, John O. Koehler agreed that when you add in the estimated part-time IMs, "the result is nothing short of monstrous: one informer per 6.5 citizens."

In Russia, the People's Brigades were told, "We have growing problems in our country with enemies of the state. They operate internally, intending to undermine the authority of our government." Sergei Kourdakov tells how he was used to harass enemies of the state in his book, The Persecutor.(*) These specialized groups were referred to as the Voluntary People's Brigade. They were given a "License to harass," and charged with the "Maintenance of Civil Order."

When they sprung up all over Russia they were directed by plain clothed police on orders from Moscow. The citizens were told that they were part of a "special-action squad" and would be given tasks that the regular police couldn't or didn't have time to handle. They wore regular street clothes, and were convinced that they were ordinary citizens aroused into taking action against undesirables. Their leaders informed them that some of the people they'd be harassing were worse than murderers

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Agreed lsewpershad Mar 2012 #1
That's what neighborhood watches are supposed to be about ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2012 #28
That is the entire purpose of Neighborhoos Watch...Being aware and calling the authorities rustydog Mar 2012 #69
The police cannot be everywhere. CurtEastPoint Mar 2012 #2
Exactly RZM Mar 2012 #5
What Zimmerman was doing is not really what the Neighborhood Watch program is about. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #3
That's what I think. I've never heard of a Neighborhood Watch doing what he was. IndyJones Mar 2012 #53
Yes Bok_Tukalo Mar 2012 #4
Our watch consists of leaving our porch lights on and calling when we see shady characters who look Warpy Mar 2012 #6
There is nothing wrong with the principals of the neighborhood watch. 1) No weapons. 2) No Vincardog Mar 2012 #7
Whadaya mean? Shankapotomus Mar 2012 #8
My dad always taught me "MYOB" FrodosPet Mar 2012 #9
Sucks. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2012 #24
"Snitching" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2012 #29
If I do, I will remain anonymous FrodosPet Mar 2012 #32
Would you testify if it was a case of someone being physically assualted and/or killed? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2012 #34
Please explain what you mean by "snowflake on a coal pile" Hugabear Mar 2012 #35
I am a caucasian living in a mostly AA area FrodosPet Mar 2012 #46
So you're afraid they would retaliate because they're black Hugabear Mar 2012 #58
No, because criminals don't like snitches FrodosPet Mar 2012 #70
Wow so racist and a coward. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2012 #38
snowflake on a coal pile? Whisp Mar 2012 #45
Is Detroit the only place white people are called "snowflakes"? FrodosPet Mar 2012 #72
no, not offended. Whisp Mar 2012 #74
Jury results. pintobean Mar 2012 #60
Wish I could act shocked. nt Union Scribe Mar 2012 #63
Yeah, I once saw a woman being raped so I got out there quick. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #44
It's the job of the police to protect us. belcffub Mar 2012 #82
If it is done correctly there is nothing wrong with it. Every neighborhood has a busybody anyway. appleannie1 Mar 2012 #10
Oh Lord. Busybodies have ZERO place in my opinion. grasswire Mar 2012 #13
I am generally opposed to the nanny state and any quasi-official extensions thereof. grasswire Mar 2012 #11
If done PROPERLY, there is nothing wrong with the concept Hugabear Mar 2012 #12
Don't start no stuff won't BE no stuff! FrodosPet Mar 2012 #20
Give me a break. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2012 #30
How long did you live in that environment? FrodosPet Mar 2012 #39
dumb. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2012 #40
A girl I was dating was mugged in front of her own apartment in a "sketchy" neighborhood onenote Mar 2012 #64
Lol, you talk like a pulp novel character Union Scribe Mar 2012 #62
Next time they may be breaking into your place since they already did your neighbors and got Raine Mar 2012 #80
I support freedom of association for any lawful purpose slackmaster Mar 2012 #14
Yes TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #15
I live in a mobile home park, RebelOne Mar 2012 #16
I do... LanternWaste Mar 2012 #17
Yes. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2012 #18
Yes, the way it is supposed to work. badtoworse Mar 2012 #19
Yes, because on the whole most neighborhood watch programs are effective WI_DEM Mar 2012 #21
If you see something, say something obey Mar 2012 #22
in California, neighborhood watch seems to mean 'keep your eyes open', not form a militia, march Liberal_in_LA Mar 2012 #23
Our neghborhood watch in Sunnyvale didn't have flashlights, let alone guns. EFerrari Mar 2012 #27
Yes. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #25
Our "Neigborhood Association" group meets once a month goclark Mar 2012 #26
As long as they only "Watch" and report, MineralMan Mar 2012 #31
Funny because up until this incident when I heard "Neighborhood Watch" Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #33
We don't sit around here watching people, Blue_In_AK Mar 2012 #36
I agree. Also if the neighborhood watch did any good, why all the break-ins there? sinkingfeeling Mar 2012 #37
If the police do any good why is there so much crime?... n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2012 #42
yay, I sort of do. Whisp Mar 2012 #41
Sure. Quantess Mar 2012 #43
I support it, and note that Florida's FAILED TO STOP ZIMMERMAN MONTHS AGO WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE. saras Mar 2012 #47
Doubly Agreed GopperStopper2680 Mar 2012 #48
Not in an organized fashion, no. Too many wannabe cops and busybodies for the veneer of TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #49
White Citizens Councils? Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #50
That's utterly ridiculous RZM Mar 2012 #65
It's Neighborhood Watch, not Neighborhood Confront kudzu22 Mar 2012 #51
Our neighborhood watch isn't like that at all. Eveyone reports strange stuff to the police IndyJones Mar 2012 #52
Some people have police... think Devil's Night in the D. n/t demmiblue Mar 2012 #54
the fine line of fascism grasswire Mar 2012 #55
GODWIN!!! Odin2005 Mar 2012 #76
Our neighborhood watch caught a ring of drug dealers who were targeting the local high school. dkf Mar 2012 #56
We have a neighborhood watch program... cynatnite Mar 2012 #57
I look out for my neighbors ... GeorgeGist Mar 2012 #59
If people are properly trained and follow their training, I have no problem with it. onenote Mar 2012 #61
I don't have a problem with it. MrSlayer Mar 2012 #66
I understand Neighborhood Watch to be just meetings JDPriestly Mar 2012 #67
That's my experience too. n/t FSogol Mar 2012 #73
I've been involved in something similar TrogL Mar 2012 #68
In the country, neighborhood watch might be all you have derby378 Mar 2012 #71
I would trust a Neighboorhood Watch more than I trust the Piggies in blue. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #75
I would prefer police. Cleita Mar 2012 #77
I'm not for snooping but if you see something suspicious you should report it. nt Raine Mar 2012 #78
It's supposed to be observation/reporting, not participatory Yo_Mama Mar 2012 #79
Be sure not to pick up any litter you see on the ground SATIRical Mar 2012 #81
Yep, call the cops. BiggJawn Mar 2012 #83
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