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Obama knew CIA secretly monitored intelligence committee, Sen. Udall claims [View all] Octafish Mar 2014 OP

It's ALL a big deal. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #1

Udall and Wyden were pretty much alone before Snowden made headlines. Octafish Mar 2014 #16

and obvious who is working for who. Great post. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #25

Excellent post, Octafish. I do not understand how ANYONE who calls themselves and American, can even sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #89

Probably (nt) bigwillq Mar 2014 #2

If he was, there's a problem. If he wasn't, there's a problem. Octafish Mar 2014 #18

AMEN...and AMEN MindMover Mar 2014 #76

Fascists with the Rainbow Coaltion of Racists 1%er's of Fundamental Greed-neo-lib's/ Third Way=Third bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #100

The Shadow Government must keep a watchful eye Downwinder Mar 2014 #3

They will know where to find us when they round us up Enthusiast Mar 2014 #4

If you look around there are some that they cannot find. Downwinder Mar 2014 #5

Secret Government is Democracy's most pressing problem. Octafish Mar 2014 #46

The tail wagging the dog. Evidenced by the increased militarization Downwinder Mar 2014 #55

It's a given. jsr Mar 2014 #73

Shockingly, Udall is Third Way. joshcryer Mar 2014 #6

None of them are clean. sibelian Mar 2014 #7

CIA spied on US Senate oversight committee Octafish Mar 2014 #51

The quote provided does not say what you and the Guardian claim it says. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #8

No mistake, Udall is to whom the headline refers. Octafish Mar 2014 #9

The article's title claims something Udall's quote does not allege. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #12

Damn! Way to go a thousand miles around to avoid the point which is the rogue nature of the security TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #10

The article is trying to hype the story while misleading readers. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #11

The title has nothing to do ProSense Mar 2014 #14

Its a great example of why I don't trust the Guardian's reporting. nt JoePhilly Mar 2014 #15

+1 n/t FSogol Mar 2014 #17

+1...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #29

+1, Obama had nothing to do with the spying itself uponit7771 Mar 2014 #36

Right, that we know about. And the whistleblowers. Octafish Mar 2014 #48

The Guardian did its job. randome Mar 2014 #33

Yeah, it's weird behavior fascisthunter Mar 2014 #32

I agree with Joe Philly creeksneakers2 Mar 2014 #78

+1 nt bunnies Mar 2014 #30

+1...I thought "As you are aware" meant Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #31

Yeah. I tried this line of reasoning. This group braying Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #63

Poor Rex Mar 2014 #97

Oh. Is it a "big deal" now? Because we weren't supposed to care when they were merely spying Romulox Mar 2014 #13

That was my first thought, too. woo me with science Mar 2014 #23

It's double plus good. Octafish Mar 2014 #47

K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #19

Transparency must mean something other than what I thought it meant. Octafish Mar 2014 #50

George Orwell Was A Friggin Genious... WillyT Mar 2014 #59

And in Hell, Nixon was heard to say "Well that's a great weight off my shoulders!" kenny blankenship Mar 2014 #20

Joint Chiefs and CIA were on Nixon's ass for making nice to China. Octafish Mar 2014 #43

I just read your posts at those links.. I keep learning stuff I didn't know. 2banon Mar 2014 #104

It is truly amazing how deeply the hole goes Aerows Mar 2014 #109

Let the Sunshine In 2banon Mar 2014 #111

K & R AzDar Mar 2014 #21

Obama rejected calls to prosecute Bush administration officials Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #22

The truth is ugly. nt woo me with science Mar 2014 #24

�The truth is ugly: Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #26

Ah, but woo me with science Mar 2014 #49

no matter who we elect it seems the cia,mic run things questionseverything Mar 2014 #27

+1 nt Zorra Mar 2014 #86

Upon the suggestion of Cass SUNSTEIN... Octafish Mar 2014 #42

Creepy and authoritarian beyond words. woo me with science Mar 2014 #44

And Nancy P bigwillq Mar 2014 #52

Wasn't the first time. Going by the look of things, it won't be the last. Octafish Mar 2014 #58

I am often compelled to consider that Obama and family lives might have been threatened 2banon Mar 2014 #105

Hmmmmmmm,,, kentuck Mar 2014 #28

Missing brother of Senator Mark Udall found dead in Wyoming (Keith Coffman 7-4-13 Reuters) bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #34

So now DU has come to the point Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #38

All one can do is laugh Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #39

The US national security community has gotten away with murder right here for decades. Not bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #41

Well He Does Enjoy House of Cards otohara Mar 2014 #94

see post 41 n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #95

It's sad to see the Guardian stoop to this level of misrepresentation struggle4progress Mar 2014 #35

the CIA hired contractors to read the 6.2 M pages to see if... grasswire Mar 2014 #101

***********************BULLSHIT ASS'D MISLEADING ARTICLE ALERT*********************** uponit7771 Mar 2014 #37

Compared to what? Octafish Mar 2014 #45

How about Obama just tells the CIA to release all the documents and let the chips fall Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #40

Kind of interesting the CIA should not spy on Congress treestar Mar 2014 #53

Except the CIA isn't Congress's boss. Octafish Mar 2014 #56

The fact there is anything to spy on shows Congress isn't completely transparent treestar Mar 2014 #60

Can you believe we have supposed Dems condoning the CIA spying on Congress? Rex Mar 2014 #99

With heavy emphasis on "Supposed". RC Mar 2014 #114

the point was, why should Congress have anything to hide? treestar Mar 2014 #115

Wow. Rex Mar 2014 #98

Has it occurred to anyone sadoldgirl Mar 2014 #54

''Money trumps peace.'' -- George W Bush, Feb. 14, 2007 Octafish Mar 2014 #57

Yep. A belated welcome to DU sadoldgirl! n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #62

Investigate the Entire Torture Team (Center for Constitutional Rights) bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #61

Battle Rages Between CIA and Senate Intel Committee over Torture Report, Conflicting Intelligence bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #64

So five days later there still isn't a clarification or retraction... Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #65

They were five days early. Octafish Mar 2014 #70

Nothing in the MJ piece asserts Obama knew about or directed Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #71

This story has been relegated to the backburner.. MinM Mar 2014 #90

You folks really believe that Obama could be in charge of the "shadow government" when he kelliekat44 Mar 2014 #66

Speaking for me, and vouching for others, we tried to warn him... Octafish Mar 2014 #69

^^^ (n/t) spin Mar 2014 #107

bttt n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #67

Reid disappointed CIA 'apparently unrepentant' for what he understands they did Octafish Mar 2014 #68

Porter J. Goss's GESTAPO imo. No one can make this stuff up. You've got that pic of him and his bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #72

The National Security Archive's Torturing Democracy has many documents for those of US that want bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #74

A kick to further the discussion of the many domestic "precedents" taken against we, the people. n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #75

Senator Udall: "The president has stated an unequivocal commitment to supporting..." ProSense Mar 2014 #77

Failing to investigate and prosecute torture is itself an international crime Oilwellian Mar 2014 #79

kick n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #80

I don't believe it. Rex Mar 2014 #81

kick n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #82

I like Sen. Udall but I do NOT understand why President Obama would want to spy on Congress. jwirr Mar 2014 #83

Obama did not order the spying. GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #106

Okay, thank you. jwirr Mar 2014 #113

Since Frank Wisner Jr. is one of President Obama's "special envoys" this thread gets another kick bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #84

That is some coincidence. Octafish Mar 2014 #85

Just think Arab Spring, too big to fail, energy czars, we don't torture, land of the free, etc... bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #87

For Kleptocracy. Octafish Mar 2014 #88

We (people) don't "...turn to Ergo for intelligence, political and risk analysis..." yet FedGov does bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #91

bttt n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #92

A bit of a historical kick-Constituitional lawyers like President Obama, Cass Sunstein, NSA, CIA bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #93

* n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #96

thanks for staying on this, BtD. nt grasswire Mar 2014 #103

I thank Octafish for being the OP, Spencer Ackerman @ The Guardian, DU... n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #112

19 days later the Guardian STILL hasen't retracted or corrected it Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #102

The buck stops seveneyes Mar 2014 #108

I trust Jimmy Carter nilesobek Mar 2014 #110

And now to view this thread anonymously bobduca Mar 2014 #116

So President Obama now is talking about what, exactly when it comes to we, the people bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #117

This is a Senate oversite committee doing its job, finally. idendoit Mar 2014 #118

Woe kick... n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #119

Reform today- kick n/t bobthedrummer Mar 2014 #120