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jazzimov

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103. They might as well. They are subverting our GOTV efforts.

Sat Mar 29, 2014, 12:42 PM

Mar 2014

If they decide to stay home or vote for a "more Liberal" 3rd party, they might as well vote for the GOP because that is what they will get.

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Does anyone here really think people bashing the president will vote for the GOP in 2014, 2016? [View all] Logical Mar 2014 OP

Well, I will state here and now that I will not vote Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #1

Great point! n-t Logical Mar 2014 #2

+1000000000. Absolutely. djean111 Mar 2014 #6

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Scuba Mar 2014 #22

Maybe not vote for repugs but stay home . . . brush Mar 2014 #45

THAT^^^^^^ is where the damage is done. And there are plenty here who are Squinch Mar 2014 #58

Pretty much the same thing DFW Mar 2014 #92

Good point. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #232

except when the crosstabs were run, we saw that in 2010 Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #65

I agree with doing things to get them motivated to vote brush Mar 2014 #69

It's got to circle back to involvement. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #91

Good ideas brush Mar 2014 #96

We also need to get working on those too young to vote. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #106

While I agree with a lot of what you have written ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #135

Welcome to Du. Phlem Mar 2014 #120

The point that many may miss is ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #125

Well, most of the things they complained about in2010 have been done. They can't get 100% kelliekat44 Mar 2014 #199

I think its part of the GOP voter supression strategy. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #77

Great analysis brush Mar 2014 #81

^^this^^^ mopinko Mar 2014 #90

Absolutely. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #162

So the GOP is saying AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #97

Read it again. Not what I said. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #136

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #139

Ah, I see AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #145

If that's what you wish to take from my statement ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #148

And... AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #149

Make light if you wish ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #152

I am curious AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #154

Depends. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #159

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #160

So its just one big conspiracy AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #190

Let's imagine that you think Abortion is Murder ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #161

Limbaugh's AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #191

I believe this too Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #164

Exactly. n/t FSogol Mar 2014 #172

yes, no one is looking behind the curtain Skittles Mar 2014 #174

One guy in this forum plainly said that he was not going to vote. That he'd stay home and eat French Number23 Mar 2014 #175

please link to that post grasswire Mar 2014 #178

Find it yourself. Then you can see all of the "context" and "profile" you want Number23 Mar 2014 #182

You cited it. You find it. (If it exists) grasswire Mar 2014 #184

I've already found it. Hence the citation. Not surprised that point seemed to escape you. Number23 Mar 2014 #196

so I guess there is no such thing, eh? grasswire Mar 2014 #211

The last time you accused me of posting nonsense a considerable number of people informed Number23 Mar 2014 #217

translation: you got nothing. grasswire Mar 2014 #218

Translation: FIND IT YOURSELF. Number23 Mar 2014 #219

that's not how message boards work. grasswire Mar 2014 #220

5 posts in and you've still GOT NOTHING Number23 Mar 2014 #221

No, YOU got nothing. grasswire Mar 2014 #223

"You erased your previous post when challenged" Number23 Mar 2014 #233

and now I see that you have deleted your own message in that thread. grasswire Mar 2014 #222

You are just about the most full of it poster here. I don't delete my posts Number23 Mar 2014 #230

We'll Said mrchips Mar 2014 #101

And there it is again, the false statement that Democrats stayed home. If Dems had stayed home in sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #115

^^^^This^^^^ Phlem Mar 2014 #122

Are you actually contending that . . . brush Mar 2014 #123

I'm not contending anything, I am stating FACTS, facts drawn from the statistics on who stayed home sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #131

Prove they did. Union Scribe Mar 2014 #140

Where are the links . . . brush Mar 2014 #141

Here you go! Union Scribe Mar 2014 #142

They'll probably just lay low for a bit laundry_queen Mar 2014 #197

Exactly. It happens daily around here lately Glitterati Mar 2014 #244

That always happens in mid-term elections Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #198

Some will treestar Mar 2014 #3

You really think this board is mostly about bashing democrats? And I would be 80% of the active.... Logical Mar 2014 #4

It seems like it is sometimes treestar Mar 2014 #8

I think some posters need to take a month break. I agree, a little (way) over the top. nt Logical Mar 2014 #9

Even those who might vote 3rd party for a Presidential slot Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #10

This is a trouble with Democrats treestar Mar 2014 #28

I think the party is shooting itself in the foot Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #39

A party is a collection of people treestar Mar 2014 #53

Sure, 'some people' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #66

I don't believe that about negotiation. treestar Mar 2014 #116

Third party canddates ARE the enemy - that's the way the American electoral system is set up. baldguy Mar 2014 #84

I don't see Sen Sanders pulling out of the race if Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #95

If Sanders mounts a challenge in 2016 to the Democratic presidential nominee in the general election baldguy Mar 2014 #110

Sanders is well established. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #167

I do. He's taken donations from most Democratic PACS for much of his career, including HILLPAC. MADem Mar 2014 #228

I didn't bother to reply to the last couple Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #231

He will not "poll better than Hillary." Most people just do not know who he is. MADem Mar 2014 #246

Some think this board AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #100

AMEN! Glitterati Mar 2014 #245

Yes, including some who even go on Fox pretending to be Dems. Scuba Mar 2014 #23

! WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #59

I agree Andy823 Mar 2014 #144

I'm voting Santorum / Palin 2015! think Mar 2014 #5

Shit, I was wrong! n-t Logical Mar 2014 #7

Damn your blasphemy! demwing Mar 2014 #55

That election day is April 1, 2015 right? BuelahWitch Mar 2014 #87

Shhh!!! It's a secret! Don't forget your voter ID & a copy of your GOP RSVP invitation! think Mar 2014 #93

Apparently they are. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #11

What I learned this week - I guess the next time I send in an alert and it gets struck down Rex Mar 2014 #202

I think they are more likely to stay home in November or for their state primary. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2014 #12

I think the constant carping at Democrats will suppress voting frazzled Mar 2014 #13

I don't think anyone complaining about Obama would cause me not to vote democratic. And I have not.. Logical Mar 2014 #14

Well, that's you. You asked a question ... frazzled Mar 2014 #16

I agree with your opinion. The 'no use' attitude vote that 'all politicians are the same ' lumpy Mar 2014 #240

When you say "I have not been happy with Obama either" . . . brush Mar 2014 #51

Overall a good president, tried cooperation too long. Nt Logical Mar 2014 #194

yeah, but the incessant calls for loyalty, justabob Mar 2014 #57

Bullshit. The carping is to help pull the Party to the left, not abandon it. Scuba Mar 2014 #24

Thanks for cursing. frazzled Mar 2014 #30

You're welcome. When these red states start turning out 80-90% to vote for Republicans .... Scuba Mar 2014 #36

South Carolina is about 45-55 Democrat-Republican beerandjesus Mar 2014 #104

Also bullshit. beerandjesus Mar 2014 #102

+1,000 Scuba Mar 2014 #114

If you're so expert at winning over Republicans in South Carolina frazzled Mar 2014 #130

Yes lumpy Mar 2014 #241

Hey, cut me a little break! beerandjesus Mar 2014 #247

^^^^^ grasswire Mar 2014 #185

When the President is portrayed as a traitor to Democratic principles by betrayal it is damaging. lumpy Mar 2014 #242

point taken, but some of us question the intentions. grasswire Mar 2014 #243

I don't agree. cui bono Mar 2014 #214

Why would it work though? treestar Mar 2014 #31

It's not aimed at non-political voters, it aimed at those who are confused and think ... Scuba Mar 2014 #34

Since when has 'carping' achieved anything beyond ostracizing the ones doing it? Number23 Mar 2014 #176

"Carping" wasn't my word, but one used in the post to which I responded. Scuba Mar 2014 #179

I know that, but it describes the behavior perfectly. Which you seemed to agree when you used the Number23 Mar 2014 #180

Perhaps I should have used quotation marks. Scuba Mar 2014 #181

I think one line in your comment is particularly important Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #32

I absolutely agree with you ... frazzled Mar 2014 #49

I think we're simply arguing over first causes. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #74

exactly justabob Mar 2014 #71

It may lead to discouragement Roselma Mar 2014 #15

Nope, the opposite. It stems from discouragement. It leads to a better Party. Scuba Mar 2014 #25

No, some will sit out instead. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #17

No, but they might stay home davidn3600 Mar 2014 #18

DLCers don't realize that just as the GOP is counting on their base of those who remember Jim Crow yurbud Mar 2014 #40

My Republican family members that I love can't get me to vote Republican. Autumn Mar 2014 #19

There is no shortage of people on the right to bash. GiveMeMorePIE Mar 2014 #20

You have a point treestar Mar 2014 #33

Yes I do, because a non-voting Democrat is basically giving half a vote to a Republican tarheelsunc Mar 2014 #21

No. But they might vote for Ralph Nader 2.0 so they can feel special. Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #26

While I'm disappointed in Obama for several reasons; deafskeptic Mar 2014 #27

No, but voting other 3rd party or not voting is half as bad. aikoaiko Mar 2014 #29

That's a blanket statement not applicable Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #43

In terms of electoral votes you are correct which is most important. aikoaiko Mar 2014 #48

I voted for Obama but I didn't want more of DLC's "me too" neoliberal policies yurbud Mar 2014 #35

I would agree, up to a point... elzenmahn Mar 2014 #37

The self-described "moderates" have already proven that they are the ones who will sit it out. Marr Mar 2014 #38

You seem to be looking for a serious answer? So ok. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #41

Good post. Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #56

Yup. This pretty much covers it. DanTex Mar 2014 #61

What a great post . . . brush Mar 2014 #63

Perfect. SunSeeker Mar 2014 #79

+Infinity (nt) jeff47 Mar 2014 #121

Lol. Wow. Union Scribe Mar 2014 #137

Note quite a doomsday cult ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #155

I swear some people must be watching too much apocalyptic nonsense. grasswire Mar 2014 #186

I didn't see to much of it during the last presidential election Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2014 #203

I laughed too Skittles Mar 2014 #173

It's like some sort of loopy Rapture nonsense. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #235

This message was self-deleted by its author Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #183

any low Dem turnout will be solely the fault of Dem leaders, they need to encourage Dem.. politicman Mar 2014 #209

The blame will rest on all of us. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #210

I doubt the bashing is bringing in votes for the DNC members, why can't the effort used towards Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #42

The DNC is their own worst enemy. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #44

if they used Dean's 50 state strategy Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2014 #204

Just for the record, Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #46

Let's say a friend asks you about the Democrats. jeff47 Mar 2014 #124

Interesting that you would assume Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #147

The question need not be literal. jeff47 Mar 2014 #227

Bashing Obama on DU will not get people to vote GOP or stay home, but stuff like this could Autumn Mar 2014 #47

If the main message people here is "the Democrats suck" ... Dems will stay home. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #67

If the message from the Democratic leadership and elected Democrats Autumn Mar 2014 #75

Except that's not their message ... that's YOUR interpretation of it. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #78

Yes that is my interpretation of it. Autumn Mar 2014 #80

Make sure to use it during your GOTV efforts. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #83

How silly is that. Autumn Mar 2014 #88

That is because that's what we are told here AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #150

If anything critical of the Presiden't policies is being halted or silenced in any way ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #163

That has nothing to do with the... AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #195

Not everyone will vote, not unless its mandatory demwing Mar 2014 #50

That's something a RW racist would post. DRoseDARs Mar 2014 #52

Not really Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #60

There is no way on God's Green Earth you missed that lightning rod thread. DRoseDARs Mar 2014 #76

There are several that qualify Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #105

Some might say home. iandhr Mar 2014 #54

This attitude is EXACTLY what gave the state legislatures Gman Mar 2014 #62

Meanwhile, on the West Coast, 2010 saw great turn out and massive Democratic victories. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #73

Because it's the west coast Gman Mar 2014 #85

Thanks for the civil response. I suggest actually looking at why it is different here. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #98

as was said upthread... grasswire Mar 2014 #188

I am from Minnesota. Puglover Mar 2014 #205

Yes, any state that would elect Al Franken Gman Mar 2014 #206

My family is down in Iowa. Puglover Mar 2014 #207

North Carolina Democrats outvoted Republicans in straight-party voting... WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #224

OK fine. $20 donated. Gman Mar 2014 #229

Awesome. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #234

I'm in Texas Gman Mar 2014 #236

I'll do what I can for Ms. Davis. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #238

I often donate to other out if state candidates Gman Mar 2014 #237

NO! However, chuckstevens Mar 2014 #64

I would never vote for a r, never. DiverDave Mar 2014 #68

I'd say that almost 100% of DU are harshly critical of Democrats on DU. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #70

I work in a professional office where about half the people vote on a regular basis. FSogol Mar 2014 #72

No, but some here have stated that if the nominee in 2016 doesn't meet their purity standards, Beacool Mar 2014 #82

Sitting out because you are huffy you didn't get what you wanted, is like voting for the GOP. Whisp Mar 2014 #86

We don't ask whether the ten-year-old playing with matches... gulliver Mar 2014 #89

I Don't Mind Criticism mrchips Mar 2014 #94

Of course they don't, but they DO need to paint an impression NorthCarolina Mar 2014 #99

They might as well. They are subverting our GOTV efforts. jazzimov Mar 2014 #103

Wow Phlem Mar 2014 #109

Depends if that liberal wants anything done. jeff47 Mar 2014 #126

Hmm. Phlem Mar 2014 #143

Really? It's not that hard. jeff47 Mar 2014 #225

I understand the reasoning and the math but Phlem Mar 2014 #248

The proud hatred of the President from some Progressive dog Mar 2014 #107

God Phlem Mar 2014 #119

Yes, proud hatred, people who claim Progressive dog Mar 2014 #128

No. I don't. Laelth Mar 2014 #108

huh..... check out #103 Phlem Mar 2014 #112

Post #103 is wild speculation ... Laelth Mar 2014 #113

Agreed. Phlem Mar 2014 #117

Here's how it damages turnout. jeff47 Mar 2014 #127

That's a pretty generalized situation/response. Phlem Mar 2014 #146

If anyone asks me what I think of Democrats, this is what I do: grasswire Mar 2014 #189

There are Libertarian talking points on DU from time to time�points not in the Democratic Party... Tikki Mar 2014 #111

No, but they will depress turnout. jeff47 Mar 2014 #118

No, BUT, if they stay home and not vote. . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2014 #129

I think some 'DUers' are projecting what they most want. Rex Mar 2014 #132

No. Perhaps third party or not vote. JNelson6563 Mar 2014 #133

It has nothing to do with being able to be classy and sober about it. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #134

I've been trying to recall how many times this question has been asked on DU over the years. Solly Mack Mar 2014 #138

Your post is 100% correct. It happens a lot. But people forget. n-t Logical Mar 2014 #166

They'll vote for Greens, or Socialist Workers, or Justice... SidDithers Mar 2014 #151

which is the same as voting GOP. nt BainsBane Mar 2014 #157

No, it's the same as not voting pintobean Mar 2014 #168

+1 pintobean Mar 2014 #169

Nailed it, Sid Number23 Mar 2014 #177

You've got it... blahdeblahblahblah Mar 2014 #193

You give them too much credit. joshcryer Mar 2014 #201

The fear is they don't show up LynnTTT Mar 2014 #153

Some will BainsBane Mar 2014 #156

probably not vote GOP, but it seems for some to is a mission to make as many other DUers as pissed dionysus Mar 2014 #158

Do I think they'll vote for the GOP? Yes, either directly or INDIRECTLY by voting for Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #165

Joined the Green party when Clinton was President noiretextatique Mar 2014 #170

no, unless they are real repuke trolls Skittles Mar 2014 #171

Some will vote for 3rd party candidates, allowing the Rethugs to divide and conquer. pnwmom Mar 2014 #187

yep, the ole bit nose to spite face flamingdem Mar 2014 #216

I suspect many of the Third Way types will vote republican if a progressive Zorra Mar 2014 #192

Many DUers will not vote for Clinton. joshcryer Mar 2014 #200

That would require logic and not knee-jerk responses from the "You're anti-Obama" brigade... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #208

You can criticize all you want Andy823 Mar 2014 #239

It's the same way I have to explain it to my "fiscally conservative, socially liberal" friends... Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #212

Yes, I think some (not all) will vote Repub. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #213

Oh, you Better Believe It. nt Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #215

Some trolls aren't "short lived"....You'd better believe it, too! nt MADem Mar 2014 #226

On DU? No MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #249