Does anyone here really think people bashing the president will vote for the GOP in 2014, 2016?

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130. If you're so expert at winning over Republicans in South Carolina

I'm surprised the state isn't deep blue by now. (I know South Carolina well enough, being married to a native of that state, which we visit often).

I think you've missed the point of this thread, as well as my own point: it was a question about whether bashing Democrats here on DU will have any effect on voting in 2014 and/or 2016. First of all, DU has no real impact on anything in the real world. Yelling obscenities about "pieces of shit used car salesmen" on an Internet discussion board doesn't convince anyone of anything, and DU is no sampling of the real world. DU's little internecine fights are circle jerks.

I was not in any way saying that Democrats should not be out there making strong progressive arguments for the things we believe in--and I never have. This discussion was (and has been for some days) about "bashing"--which is not making argument about anything, and certainly no way to get people to the polls this year. Because whether you like it or not, the candidates rising up in various districts are already pretty set (or a few months from being set): you're either going to go to the polls in November and vote for one of the existing candidates, or you're not. And if you're not (because the Democrat is a piece of shit used car salesman who is not progressive enough), and you're living in a red or purple district, you're pretty much giving the advantage to the Republican. And the rest of us in blue states suffer, because for as many dedicated progressives as we can elect, it isn't worth a tinker's damn if John Boehner is going to be the speaker (which, because of redistricting, he will be.) We've seen election after election in which progressive Democrats have run and lost, and also plenty of elections in which moderate Democrats have run and lost.

The only point to be made here is that no politician wins--ever--by yelling "bullshit."

So who will you be voting for in the June as the Democrat to replace Lindsey Graham? The pro-business Eagle Scout Hutto or the entrepreneur prankster Stamper? Do you think either one of them can win? And does bashing the president or other national democrats here have any positive or negative on taking Lindsay Graham down? I rather think it helps him, because it confirms his own bashing.

The only way to get a more progressive Democratic Party is to convince Democrats, not Republicans (pro-gay Republicans still vote Republican, btw). And you don't convince people by going on crazy-ass rants or comandeering slogans. You honestly don't.