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bemildred

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35. If it resulted in good governance in Ukraine, I'd be fine with a bit of subterfuge.

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 02:04 AM

Mar 2014

On the other hand, when your object is to thwart that, and to force your views on Ukraine, then no I don't approve.

And when you have your head buried in your own anus and are wallowing in obviously delusory "plans", then no, I don't approve of that either.

I do agree that it would be better to just skip all the dissembling, and much cheaper and simpler too, and no doubt far more functional, but I don't think our "democracy" is anywhere close to that yet, and you still have to try to govern well. So I can deal with well chosen dissembling, for now. We all applaud Pelosi for what she got done as Speaker, I can assure you she is as old school as they get politically.

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Should the U.S. have supported the coup in Ukraine? [View all] JackRiddler Mar 2014 OP

Wish I had the ability to make a poll of this... JackRiddler Mar 2014 #1

It Is Good To See Your Caveats, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2014 #2

Normal practice is not therefore good. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #4

It absolutely was our business to conduct in the first place. That's the business of every country stevenleser Mar 2014 #5

So "business" is subterfuge and you approve. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #8

Ooh, you used a big scary sounding word that sounds bad! No. Read again what I wrote. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #11

Really? Subterfuge is a big word to you? JackRiddler Mar 2014 #12

As The Man Said, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2014 #6

Unacceptable. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #9

You May Forgive Me, Sir, For Being Unable To Take Your Line Seriously Any Longer Here The Magistrate Mar 2014 #13

The answer, actually... JackRiddler Mar 2014 #14

My perception of the situation would disagree with you tech3149 Mar 2014 #27

What you seem to not understand, Sir, is a knowledgeable and thoughtful AngryAmish Mar 2014 #34

Should you not have beat your wife? nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #3

It was not a coup. joshcryer Mar 2014 #7

So they held a constitutional impeachment, did they? JackRiddler Mar 2014 #10

Yes, the impeachment was legal. joshcryer Mar 2014 #16

I'm sure they are moderate. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #18

The key will be handling the oligarchs. joshcryer Mar 2014 #19

Yeah, they've got the perfect government JackRiddler Mar 2014 #20

They well have elections. joshcryer Mar 2014 #22

bumping JackRiddler Mar 2014 #15

The USA needs to stay out of Ukranie and Russia's business bigwillq Mar 2014 #17

Way too many folks are ignoring this simple set of facts malaise Mar 2014 #21

Yeah but the corporate media... JackRiddler Mar 2014 #24

M$M never fails malaise Mar 2014 #25

Don't think they don't know what they are doing JVS Mar 2014 #28

Some of them do... JackRiddler Mar 2014 #29

I think this is what's most frustrating ozone_man Mar 2014 #23

It's about the gold reserves Forever29 Mar 2014 #26

Geostrategy is a lot more than gold. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #30

Thank you for stating so well what many of us here felt at the time and still KoKo Mar 2014 #31

I think the point is that they made a mess of it. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #32

Would it have been okay if it had been effective? JackRiddler Mar 2014 #33

If it resulted in good governance in Ukraine, I'd be fine with a bit of subterfuge. bemildred Mar 2014 #35

Subterfuge wrong on principle and bad practice. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #36

Oddly enough, having read all that, I don't find anything I particularly disagree with. bemildred Mar 2014 #37

It was not a coup. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #38

In eastern Ukraine the popular seems to go the other way. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #39

Since it's kickable... JackRiddler Jun 2016 #40