Should the U.S. have supported the coup in Ukraine?

[JackRiddler]

36. Subterfuge wrong on principle and bad practice.

bemildred, I cannot agree with your statement, "If it resulted in good governance in Ukraine, I'd be fine with a bit of subterfuge." at all.

On many levels:

- The U.S.G. should not be the judge of what constitutes "good governance" in Ukraine. (Is your use of governance witting?)

- The U.S.G. has no business covertly undermining democratically elected governments. No argument based on the supposed ends can make that right.

- State-backed subterfuge to undermine foreign governments is hostile covert action, by definition. It makes enemies. They retaliate.

- Those holding office in U.S.G. have no business deciding on secret policy, especially not covert war on foreign entities, without going through this country's republican/democratic institutions. (That's what happened in this case: no public, no debate. Who decided what "our" policy to Ukraine should be? No one in the open, not even in an elite process.)

- Engaging in these practices generally means giving up a large part of sovereignty to an unaccountable deep state and parapolitical actors.

- The apparatus required to do such action effectively worldwide is enormous and creates a top-secret Frankenstein branch (or realm of many covert branches) of government, which is a permanent deep bureaucracy with many parapolitical tentacles, and largely in charge.

- In the big picture, you may like the results of one or another action but the end result, especially for the world's Mr. Big, is that everyone will consider him an enemy. It's a self-destructive policy as far as the people are concerned.

So to me, that it didn't have "good results" in Ukraine is not due to incompetence or mistakes or picking the wrong side. It's a predictable fallout of a nuts foreign policy system run as a self-service store for a tangle of elite geostrategists, corporations, spook groups and the super rich. The system will produce or contribute to such destabilizations constantly, keep the U.S. permanently entangled in machinations everywhere, and create the pretext for a trillion dollars spent on "security" and "defense" by the federal govt every year.