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treestar

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150. You're assuming there has to be criticism that is legitimate

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:13 PM

Mar 2014

I thought the two ferns thing was dumb. It didn't come off as satire and looked like a true argument, and Obama looked petulant in it.

But I'm not going to dwell on it and do an OP. I suppose you think I should make the most of it? Do an OP and not only criticize that spot but discuss how Obama was stupid to do it? I don't dwell on the negative, so it's not something I will bother with.

It is easier to cut down than build up. Easier, but it gets one nowhere.

And I don't see you questioning those who see nothing as right. I think you may be one. I doubt you can name anything positive.

The one about defending the Iraq War and the one about the formularies were both stupid and they were not called for. I don't have to agree with every single criticism.

I also have the humility to know when I don't fully understand an issue and don't assume criticism is fair just because it is criticism. Seeking to understand the issue leading to someone calling me a corporatist or Obot seems to me that the "critic" just wants to tear down the Democratic Party, not really criticize a policy.

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For anyone who thinks its okay to bash POTUS [View all] darkangel218 Mar 2014 OP

We would talk about war with Syria and Russia /nt jakeXT Mar 2014 #1

I think we would have already been at war. darkangel218 Mar 2014 #2

None of it is constructive criticism treestar Mar 2014 #3

I am a scumbag because I criticize policy; YOU claim that is President bashing. antiquie Mar 2014 #5

I'm reminded of the French monarch who, when told the people were not criticizing him but rather Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #11

Most of it is not constructive criticism of any policy treestar Mar 2014 #21

Just when and where did I even say he was a bad president? antiquie Mar 2014 #27

I am not driving anyone away treestar Mar 2014 #36

Until your last couple of posts you were addressing me. antiquie Mar 2014 #40

It's so easy to offend! treestar Mar 2014 #49

Lol! That is truly funny Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #58

That's just false. treestar Mar 2014 #61

they *want* to drive people away. It is a minority who want the forums newthinking Mar 2014 #77

If I sincerely believe that he could have fought harder and didn't then saying totodeinhere Mar 2014 #72

I've never seen you acknowledge any criticism of Obama as legitmate. Marr Mar 2014 #140

You're assuming there has to be criticism that is legitimate treestar Mar 2014 #150

Of course you don't have to agree with every criticism. Marr Mar 2014 #154

I haven't seen a lot of good ones for the DU dust ups treestar Mar 2014 #155

Really? treestar Mar 2014 #20

Your language is completely unacceptable to me. antiquie Mar 2014 #30

You can't claim to be better with that language about The Great One treestar Mar 2014 #38

You're not driving any one off. antiquie Mar 2014 #47

Yes, I do treestar Mar 2014 #60

You are right Caretha Mar 2014 #130

Don't you dare leave! In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #23

+10000 G_j Mar 2014 #25

What is being criticized is the manner in which is done. No probem in criticizing but calling Obama lumpy Mar 2014 #52

They know that.... Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #114

Says who? Caretha Mar 2014 #136

I was under the impression that only ReThugs referred to the H in Obama'a name. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #57

Didn't catch that. treestar Mar 2014 #62

Not necessarily. The official Barack Obama biography at the White House website refers to him as totodeinhere Mar 2014 #75

Of course they use the H...it's his official name. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #102

Bingo. BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #143

Oh please! That is so stupid! rusty fender Mar 2014 #147

I picked that up too. rufus dog Mar 2014 #119

I agree, Treestar. darkangel218 Mar 2014 #6

I know, you'd think there were no repukes dark angel treestar Mar 2014 #22

Anyone who hangs Caretha Mar 2014 #139

They They They They.. G_j Mar 2014 #32

I doubt you are innocent of that treestar Mar 2014 #44

frankly, G_j Mar 2014 #73

You know what would help? cui bono Mar 2014 #54

Whatever leaves the impression that Obama is personally disliked or hated by Democrats is lumpy Mar 2014 #78

Impressions are in the eye of the beholder. cui bono Mar 2014 #88

+1 LittleBlue Mar 2014 #112

There is some of that at DU. But to say that "none" of it is constructive is quite a stretch. totodeinhere Mar 2014 #67

I have seen very little constructive criticism of Obama on this site. Most response has been drawn lumpy Mar 2014 #87

Expressing disappointment at the POTUS's actions or words is constructive criticism. Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #79

Judging by some posts these days on DU BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #4

+1 n/t FSogol Mar 2014 #7

Well, if we had McCain or Romney as president at least we'd be united in our misery and outrage. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #13

You know, sometimes I think there are some who are happiest when they"re the party in opposition. nt Fla Dem Mar 2014 #68

and, that would be the very Least of OUR concerns. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #152

They hate him more than they hated Bush! treestar Mar 2014 #24

Exactly, treestar. BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #65

Yes, it's not human nature to turn on something you worked hard for treestar Mar 2014 #148

Most of those naysayers here are Libertarians or Liberaltarians BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #157

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #141

+1 JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #55

Watching some of these folks Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #59

Oh, we *know* why they're here. BlueCaliDem Mar 2014 #82

+1 redqueen Mar 2014 #103

There's a big difference between bashing from the right and calling out from the left. Scuba Mar 2014 #8

There is no purity test involved. darkangel218 Mar 2014 #9

Not offended, but I cringe when I see folks trying to pull us left equated with right-wing bashers. Scuba Mar 2014 #10

We dont have to be vile when we criticise. darkangel218 Mar 2014 #12

I hope I'm never "vile", but you must realize there's a huge amount of frustration with .... Scuba Mar 2014 #14

I know and i agree. We should speak up. darkangel218 Mar 2014 #17

Congratulations Scuba and darkanglel 218 Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #92

Well said, darkangel.. "But not in a way where we dig our own graves." Cha Mar 2014 #113

I just don't feel betrayed by all that treestar Mar 2014 #26

That's the saddest post I've ever read. Scuba Mar 2014 #28

To me it's sad when someone says they feel betrayed treestar Mar 2014 #41

You got that right BrotherIvan Mar 2014 #43

How am I going to keep track of each appointment and act of the Presidency? treestar Mar 2014 #48

So keeping neocons and Bush appointees in place BrotherIvan Mar 2014 #51

Has that been the case for every single office? treestar Mar 2014 #63

It a cop out to say you just can't keep track of stuff mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #69

If you admittedly don't have the time to keep track of every appointment cui bono Mar 2014 #80

I agree. Sad and almost pathetic. grasswire Mar 2014 #101

"I don't care who gets appointed" cui bono Mar 2014 #74

Yes, I appreciate that you don't take the vile insulting crap road. And, I'm sure you realize Cha Mar 2014 #115

Sadly, my reading is different. While he's done some good things the good is overwhelmed ... Scuba Mar 2014 #116

I think you're way off but that's your opinion.. my is the opposite so we will just have to Cha Mar 2014 #117

What grade would you give him on handling the banks? Monsanto? How heavily do you weigh .... Scuba Mar 2014 #118

Bullshit on your measley attempt to smear President Obama with the kochs. Cha Mar 2014 #120

How about the Keystone Pipeline. Will the President approve it? Who stands to gain from it? Scuba Mar 2014 #121

Well said Cha! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #142

Mahalo, she.. Yeah, it doesn't matter what Obama has done or Cha Mar 2014 #144

You hit the nail in one sentence. Thanks lumpy Mar 2014 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author Trajan Mar 2014 #106

It's the CT-tool-of-the-MIC-America-is-the-bane-of-humanity fare that brings that out BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #37

I agree, I don't think posters should not be equated with right wing bashers, or similar responses. lumpy Mar 2014 #66

But, the president isn't running -this- year. HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #15

he also said that the most important thing right now BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #29

So, dem candidates should provide things that attract voters to them. HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #35

to the nonpolitical it will encourage them to not bother voting treestar Mar 2014 #42

There are a lot of nonpoliticals aroung here, aren't there? HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #56

in all honesty.... grasswire Mar 2014 #104

United we stand, divided we fall. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #16

much better chance of that happening if we get more Dems BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #33

I agree. Time for the pro-war, pro-insurance, pro-drilling, pro-TPP, pro-KXL, pro-chained CPI, Doctor_J Mar 2014 #158

Thanks, Dark Angel WhiteTara Mar 2014 #18

Attribution correction! It's Ben Franklin WhiteTara Mar 2014 #84

+1 million darkangel218 Mar 2014 #90

I agree but being United is a two way street Babel_17 Mar 2014 #19

K&R for a well-worded appeal to reason BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #31

a a "hideous hermaphroditical character.." Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #34

Just because vile sniping was used in the past doesn't mean it should continue to be the standard. lumpy Mar 2014 #94

Get back to me after the next presidential campaign. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #95

I wont get back to you most likely. Sure, the Repubs will get shit on, but it will relieve the shit lumpy Mar 2014 #100

We're going to fall tabasco Mar 2014 #39

This is the second OP with the same message? BrotherIvan Mar 2014 #45

You came forth with a lovely example of what we have been talking about. lumpy Mar 2014 #96

some people seem to get off on the attention from POTUS-bashing around here stg81 Mar 2014 #46

LOL! HangOnKids Mar 2014 #131

It's official, DU has turned into Jr High.... :-/ n/t DeSwiss Mar 2014 #50

It's okay to follow your principles and speak your mind, always. whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #53

Yes we should all strive to keep our tempers in check and remain civil. But that totodeinhere Mar 2014 #64

I agree, toto. darkangel218 Mar 2014 #76

I'm a regular poster on Israel Conflict Board Baconeater Mar 2014 #70

Wha? "Because Yahoo comments" is an argument now? cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #71

Desperate people say desperate things. Rex Mar 2014 #83

I dont belong to any "crews". darkangel218 Mar 2014 #85

Yeah right you just got out of timeout and started right in on meta. Rex Mar 2014 #86

The attacks towards POTUS were technically Meta as well. darkangel218 Mar 2014 #93

...not sure that word means what you think it does. nt Union Scribe Mar 2014 #97

Whatever. darkangel218 Mar 2014 #98

Discussion of politics is technically Meta? cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #99

Yep. GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #81

My signature line says it all. SmittynMo Mar 2014 #89

I saw criticism, not bashing. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #105

So, anyone who criticizes this Democratic President Trajan Mar 2014 #107

"Anyone" "MUST" Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #108

Useless Trajan Mar 2014 #110

Useless Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #111

Most of the Fan Club have broken with reality Doctor_J Mar 2014 #126

LOL ... forgot about you. 1000words Mar 2014 #109

it is your duty as a citizen to think critically noiretextatique Mar 2014 #122

how is Alaska? Kali Mar 2014 #123

I dont know, you tell me. darkangel218 Mar 2014 #124

you didn't get your degree in January and move to Alaska Kali Mar 2014 #125

i think she may have not passed a portion of the boards CreekDog Mar 2014 #127

I never said i moved. I said i was considering. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #162

I agree, there are so many things on the rightwing to criticise, I have no idea why people... DrewFlorida Mar 2014 #128

You basically just unwittingly defended DU's Obama critics Maven Mar 2014 #129

Jackpot! HangOnKids Mar 2014 #132

Thankee Maven Mar 2014 #161

So criticism of our guy amounts to support for the opposition. TroglodyteScholar Mar 2014 #133

In a nutshell HangOnKids Mar 2014 #134

Welcome back darkangel! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #135

Thanks Justin! darkangel218 Mar 2014 #137

. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #138

Threads like this keep the flame alive. If you really want to get even, and apparently that's rhett o rick Mar 2014 #145

Until he repeals Race to the Top and Common Core I will criticize him all I want. liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #146

This is BS. I have read Wills posts and still will vote for a Dem in 2014, 2016. People..... Logical Mar 2014 #149

Every fucking DUer will vote straight D this year, and 16, and 18, and so on, until they die Doctor_J Mar 2014 #159

Great point. nt Logical Mar 2014 #160

If you don't agree with me then you must be a member of the tea party! L0oniX Mar 2014 #151

If you don't agree with me then you must Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #153

Regarding united we stand. chknltl Mar 2014 #156