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rrneck

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26. That depends on the objectives of the person who introdues the subject.

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 01:52 PM

Mar 2014

Outrage at injustice is a fact based on an emotional response. If the objective is to the discuss the facts that prompt the outrage those distinctions are pretty easy to evaluate. If the objective is to express outrage in itself then the feelings of the participants become the objective, and much more difficult to evaluate. Thus, in a discussion designed to express outrage at injustice an observation of less outrage would derail the emotional trajectory of the discussion.

There's nothing wrong with emotional discussions and expressions of outrage on a political forum. Without outrage nothing would get done. But it's not fair to evaluate others based on one's perception of their feelings. And it's certainly unwise to try to expand political support with that attitude.

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Women in the US can discuss inequities, even if women elsewhere "have it worse" than we do. [View all] cyberswede Mar 2014 OP

True. rrneck Mar 2014 #1

????? when a women discusses the issues here... we will hear a man say: be thankful you live here seabeyond Mar 2014 #4

Rail away all you want. rrneck Mar 2014 #8

your post made no sense, hence the ??? why you do not understand what i said, says lots. seabeyond Mar 2014 #10

"no one is talking about Saudi Arabia." rrneck Mar 2014 #15

" rail, scream, jump and shout" rollin eyes. and i was not talking about saudi, literally. whatever seabeyond Mar 2014 #17

What were you talking about? nt rrneck Mar 2014 #20

derailing. seabeyond Mar 2014 #22

No. rrneck Mar 2014 #24

sea, the verbosity of the nonsensical posting you and others may find themselves responding to boston bean Mar 2014 #66

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #68

Now now, no need to get emotional. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #71

At least I have one. rrneck Mar 2014 #74

This is really bothering you, isn't it? Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #86

I find it interesting. rrneck Mar 2014 #91

totally agree, lol. just a vote to lock then this, says lots. but consistent. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #69

That "Be thankful" bit is pathetic. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #25

exactly. and we would not have it better if we had stayed quiet. or if we do stay quiet now. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #36

Exactly, it is a dishonest, derailing, right-wing tactic. nt redqueen Mar 2014 #53

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #72

we had a poster, benny, that told us he liked to come in here and start shit with women, seabeyond Mar 2014 #75

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #77

me too. seabeyond Mar 2014 #85

Some of the postings here sound a lot like him too! boston bean Mar 2014 #87

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #95

Believe me you aren't missing a damned thing not knowing bennyboy. boston bean Mar 2014 #96

It looks like MIRT found him familiar, too Warpy Mar 2014 #108

Too bad so many left wing males turn authoritarian every time a woman says she doesn't like being... seabeyond Mar 2014 #111

Wow. What anger issues. HERVEPA Mar 2014 #28

shrill. lol. thanks seabeyond Mar 2014 #35

If you don't think you sound shrill, ask some other people. HERVEPA Mar 2014 #39

or, i understand that others have their own agenda to create a message as they choose. seabeyond Mar 2014 #42

Calm down, HERVEPA. Demit Mar 2014 #45

true dat. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #47

Sea didn't ask, but I'll answer ... etherealtruth Mar 2014 #50

ah, thank you. i think you are the cats meow too.... seabeyond Mar 2014 #54

+1 cui bono Mar 2014 #57

"anger issues", "shrill"... redqueen Mar 2014 #58

As an FYI, if you think you know my attitude towards women who speak out loudly in public HERVEPA Mar 2014 #64

Well, take it from me. Most of them women you have helped escort at planned parenthood boston bean Mar 2014 #80

I don't care what you think of my credibilty, actually. HERVEPA Mar 2014 #89

yes, I get it, and I never intended to demean your volunteer work. boston bean Mar 2014 #93

Ooo, personal risk. Demit Mar 2014 #90

our progressive men do support the things that benefit them, that is for sure. now, at the point of seabeyond Mar 2014 #92

Lol, even progressive men have to be men, I understand. Demit Mar 2014 #100

i see it a little more than just chest puffing. seabeyond Mar 2014 #103

I agree... cyberswede Mar 2014 #5

These discussions run on feelings. rrneck Mar 2014 #13

There are lots of obvious facts that can be pointed out in a discussion. Demit Mar 2014 #18

derailing 101. lol. yes. we see it in this very thread. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #21

That depends on the objectives of the person who introdues the subject. rrneck Mar 2014 #26

Did you speak about "outrage" and "emotions" to minorities and the LGBT community? cui bono Mar 2014 #33

So what would you like to hear? rrneck Mar 2014 #37

That post itself is patronizing. cui bono Mar 2014 #44

Again, what would you like to hear? rrneck Mar 2014 #48

Again, patronizing. cui bono Mar 2014 #51

I don't care how I'm "coming across". I can't control how you evaluate my affect. rrneck Mar 2014 #67

No you are absolutely wrong. cui bono Mar 2014 #84

I find it to be passive aggressive and just best to move on. boston bean Mar 2014 #79

It's completely passive agressive. cui bono Mar 2014 #81

good insight. boston bean Mar 2014 #82

Maybe he's trying to be meta, about discussions. Demit Mar 2014 #99

This must be a continuation of another thread. I have no idea wtf you are trying to say. Demit Mar 2014 #38

Absolutely. rrneck Mar 2014 #40

"The realities of political action will be brought to bear"? Demit Mar 2014 #52

Sure it does. What's your point? nt rrneck Mar 2014 #56

If you are looking for a support group, this thread isn't it. Demit Mar 2014 #61

Don't blame me if you can't keep up. rrneck Mar 2014 #65

Because I'm interested in the topic raised by the OP. Why don't you start your own thread? Demit Mar 2014 #78

Like it or not, the US is a cultural heavyweight that exports its way of life closeupready Mar 2014 #46

We've done a fine job of leading in Iraq and Afghanistan. rrneck Mar 2014 #55

Iraq/Afghanistan is not a trump card. closeupready Mar 2014 #107

true, and you want to know something really interesting with the womens movement. europe is seabeyond Mar 2014 #59

+1. Yes, a thousand times, yes! "working together", closeupready Mar 2014 #106

this is a fav, takling to you recently, i have been thinking about this poster. seabeyond Mar 2014 #110

Oh, I like that - would make a nice signature block! closeupready Mar 2014 #112

Why do you have to qualify the OP like that? n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #27

Although I don't understand your question... rrneck Mar 2014 #31

I didn't take that to be what the OP was about at all. cui bono Mar 2014 #32

"Full agreement"... rrneck Mar 2014 #34

By not qualifying the statement. cui bono Mar 2014 #41

Awesome!! Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #49

Well said nt redqueen Mar 2014 #60

How much support do you need and how should it be expressed? rrneck Mar 2014 #73

Again, patronizing. cui bono Mar 2014 #102

totally loving you, and giving you a hug. just read more of this shit this morning seabeyond Mar 2014 #2

You enjoy your day! cyberswede Mar 2014 #3

It's the equivelent of the racist sufrommich Mar 2014 #6

We have seen this tired argument trotted out time and again etherealtruth Mar 2014 #7

Another excellent analysis. redqueen Mar 2014 #63

I think there is so m times two issues.. . PosterChild Mar 2014 #70

The objection I have is the use of these "arguments" to stifle conversation etherealtruth Mar 2014 #76

you know. too obvious, right? does hunger feel different, depending on the country? nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #94

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #97

ah man. didnt get to read. anyone? nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #98

Sounds pretty obvious to me tkmorris Mar 2014 #9

I love mercuryblues Mar 2014 #11

Unbeknownst to some, I can chew gum and walk at the same time - Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #12

The reason women have it better here is because they refused to accept..... Trust Buster Mar 2014 #14

point. i cannot say that loud enough. and thank you for making the obvious point. you are right seabeyond Mar 2014 #19

Changing the subject to one that wasn't originally SheilaT Mar 2014 #16

some of it may be about priorities though hfojvt Mar 2014 #23

Women's issues in the US are a cat in a tree? So, an unserious problem then? Demit Mar 2014 #29

Are you making any point besides women should just shut up and be thankful for what cui bono Mar 2014 #30

Agreed. aikoaiko Mar 2014 #43

I agree. Some think the only issue to be discussed should be "is she about to be killed or not" nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #62

I agree! In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #83

Hell yeah! "Women elsewhere have it worse" is a fallacious non-argument. alp227 Mar 2014 #88

I had a discussion with a feminist that really had me disturbed. RandySF Mar 2014 #101

Was this conversation around wearing a hijab or burqua? boston bean Mar 2014 #104

Nope RandySF Mar 2014 #109

That goes for any minority group, too. Most people have it better here compared to the universe La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #105