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43. Yes they will lose in the long run on this and many other issues.

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 02:06 PM

Mar 2014

But hopefully in future policy debates we start from what we want rather than start with what we think the Republican lawmakers will settle for. GOP politicians are just political hacks and they could care less about early gestures of nicety. They laugh and make it play to their advantage.

The Single Payer option deserved a very public and informative debate to help Americans understand what they could have had. We didn't get that.

My guess if a real and informative discussion of single payer was presented we'd at the very least gotten a better written ACA and less opportunity for Republican obstructionism. And perhaps, just perhaps, the argument could have been persuasive with the AMERICAN PEOPLE that a public option served the people better and legislation to that effect enacted. The rest of the industrial world seems to get it. Why shouldn't we?

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Should Obamacare be repealed because it's a step in the wrong direction? [View all] ProSense Mar 2014 OP

I think those are two separate questions frazzled Mar 2014 #1

No, ProSense Mar 2014 #4

Hey, you said it, not me frazzled Mar 2014 #10

No, it's a direct question based on a claim. ProSense Mar 2014 #13

Oh, I guess I see frazzled Mar 2014 #16

The PP-ACA is a step in the RIGHT DIRECTION DAMN IT!!! LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #2

I agree with the first post Motown_Johnny Mar 2014 #3

I completely disagree, and see my response. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #5

If you want a push poll Motown_Johnny Mar 2014 #9

It's nothing of the sort. ProSense Mar 2014 #17

Yes it is. Motown_Johnny Mar 2014 #24

What? ProSense Mar 2014 #25

Yes it does. Read the other responses here. Motown_Johnny Mar 2014 #26

I did, and no one is making that claim. You said it "implies" that. No, it doesn't. ProSense Mar 2014 #29

I will try this one last time Motown_Johnny Mar 2014 #35

No ProSense Mar 2014 #36

no one? qazplm Mar 2014 #55

Yes, no one. ProSense Mar 2014 #60

A person may believe that it is a step in the wrong direction, but not want to see it repealed, bornskeptic Mar 2014 #50

At that point ProSense Mar 2014 #52

the point is, people are misunderstanding your point on account of your wordings, Voice for Peace Mar 2014 #53

And ProSense Mar 2014 #58

It's not the wording of the post, it is the way you respond to those who misunderstand. Voice for Peace Mar 2014 #83

Well, ProSense Mar 2014 #84

I am asking, not accusing. Voice for Peace Mar 2014 #86

As I said ProSense Mar 2014 #87

OK. I'm in agreement w/ response #1 Voice for Peace Mar 2014 #91

+1 /nt think Mar 2014 #32

A dumb ass question bigdarryl Mar 2014 #6

No, "dumb ass" may apply to the claim that the law was "a step in the wrong direction." ProSense Mar 2014 #8

Is this a thing that anyone has suggested? Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #7

Well, ProSense Mar 2014 #11

Well, obviously anyone who thinks it was a step in the wrong direction... Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #19

Someone stated yes to wrong direction, JaneyVee Mar 2014 #12

Short answer: no. Long answer: sufrommich Mar 2014 #14

What do you mean a step in the wrong direction. NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #15

You won't get an answer BumRushDaShow Mar 2014 #18

That's exactly what it is, ProSense Mar 2014 #20

I think it should be repealed and replaced with single payer Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #21

Is that realistic? ProSense Mar 2014 #23

Of course it is realistic, many countries have already done it Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #40

"Many countries" have repealed the law in order to allow the U.S. Congress to pass single payer? ProSense Mar 2014 #41

No, many countries have passed single payer Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #57

Where ProSense Mar 2014 #65

Don't expect many of the ACA's most virulent critics to stop by this OP. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #22

Of course not. I think it is fair to say that would be going way too far Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #27

Well, ProSense Mar 2014 #28

for Vermont, probably yes. Nationally? I doubt that we will see that Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #31

A lot of states ProSense Mar 2014 #33

No. It is a step in the right direction. think Mar 2014 #30

Republicans are ProSense Mar 2014 #38

Yes they will lose in the long run on this and many other issues. think Mar 2014 #43

No. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #34

Agree, with a caveat ProSense Mar 2014 #39

I think we're headed there no matter what. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #42

k&r nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #37

Fly Paper Poll bahrbearian Mar 2014 #44

For a "fly paper" claim. ProSense Mar 2014 #45

How about other choices besides yes or no bahrbearian Mar 2014 #63

Any suggestions? ProSense Mar 2014 #66

Either you are 100% happy with the current law and want it forever preserved, or you aren't NoOneMan Mar 2014 #71

Obamacare: 31 percent of Republicans want to keep/improve the law ProSense Mar 2014 #72

I have no idea how your algorithm computed that canned response NoOneMan Mar 2014 #73

LOL! n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #74

So why didn't you have a third choice of Improving it, because its flypaper. bahrbearian Mar 2014 #75

Because the poll is about whether or not it should be repealed. ProSense Mar 2014 #76

What would be so hard to add another choice instead of posting fly paper bahrbearian Mar 2014 #77

Start your own poll, this one is about repeal. ProSense Mar 2014 #78

Did someone suggest that it should? Or is this just a gratuitous STRAWMAN? rhett o rick Mar 2014 #46

See comment 7, similar question, and the response. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #47

Also, at least one person responded, yes. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #48

I cant tell if you are serious or joking. I support the ACA but this thread rhett o rick Mar 2014 #59

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #49

Only if the bill that repeals it also creates socialized medicine. nt Deep13 Mar 2014 #51

ACA zealots want to pretend that life is a false dichotomy NoOneMan Mar 2014 #64

"Either we are all supposed to love every period and comma in the piece of shit ProSense Mar 2014 #93

Wow. Canned links. You've convinced me NoOneMan Mar 2014 #94

LOL! You're not "convinced"? ProSense Mar 2014 #95

What was the goal NoOneMan Mar 2014 #96

"Increase your post count?" ProSense Mar 2014 #97

Repealing it would be playing into the GOP's hands. CBHagman Mar 2014 #54

I think once ACA has been in place a few years, and risks are known, it will be much easier to pass Hoyt Mar 2014 #56

A reform should be passed to leave it null, void, and virtually dead in every sense NoOneMan Mar 2014 #61

That is repeal, otherwise that point makes no sense. ProSense Mar 2014 #67

Nothing less than a fart noise would be a justified response NoOneMan Mar 2014 #69

Have fun. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #70

Every one here wants Universal Heatlh Care. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #68

"There are ways to achieve true egalitarian, universal health care in the US without repealing it" brooklynite Mar 2014 #81

Obamacare is the first attempt at the first program to cover all. This first attempt might not be Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #62

Agreed Kath1 Mar 2014 #79

Yup. They never offered an alternative. They still aren't. They're simply whining nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #90

Yes! it's MUCH better to have nothing if we can't have something perfect... brooklynite Mar 2014 #80

Just drop the individual mandate n/t leftstreet Mar 2014 #82

No, it is not a step in the wrong direction SheilaT Mar 2014 #85

I'm "thinking": glad you said that. ProSense Mar 2014 #88

I wish we'd gone straight to a single payer system. SheilaT Mar 2014 #89

Agree, and ProSense Mar 2014 #92