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In reply to the discussion: E-cigarettes 'should not be marketed as smoking cessation aids' [View all]LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)107. I have no problem with completely blocking the Chinese imports
That's an area I wouldn't even bother with trying to regulate and inspect. Too many problems from too many different areas of manufacture coming from that country- dog treats and chicken, anyone?- just block them and only allow juice sold in the States that has been manufactured in the States. Added safety with the bonus of local job creation, win and win. From your OMG DANGEROUS! and very poorly spelled for so-called "professional journalism" (seriously, how hard is it to run spell check on a published article??) ABC article:
Both Smoking Everywhere and Mistic are made in China. We contacted both companies, but we have not received a response.
Mistic
Smoking Everywhere
Both tested brands, which contained metal particles, were a) of Chinese manufacture and b) the cheap ones built to resemble cigarettes with the disposable prefilled cartos, which most vapers ditch very quickly in favor of the more economical and tastier refillable tanks, and which I would really like to see disappear from the market in favor of refillables/rebuildables with locally made liquid. They mysteriously failed to name the brands tested that, to quote the "professional journalism" article, "had a different result", or state what the "different result" was (presumably because they had no metal particles and therefore didn't suit the article's agenda).
Your complaint was that vape acted as an asthma trigger. So is perfume, which is used on a much larger scale. You managed to make my point for me by being uninterested in perfume as a trigger unless it is poured into a vape pen. It's the idea of vape pens, not the possible health issues, that bothers you. Thank you for that.
"The issue isn't whether that particular person was triggered by something in that vape stream or had a somatic reaction." -actually, yes that was what my post was about. Post 67 above, the one you answered with a response that was also specifically about asthma triggers. That post. Yes, that was what we were discussing.
I'm not new to vaping, I switched over two years ago: I posted it to the cessation forum at the time. Either you're thinking of someone else or you caught my reference to my recent relapse. I quit again, three days ago. Am sitting here puffing peacefully on my Cinnamon Red Hots ejuice as I type- a fairly painless transition that took one whole day. Beat that with a box of patches or gum.
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Except they won their lawsuit to NOT be classified as a smoking-cessation device. n/t
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#13
so all these folks who have quit smoking by using these devices never really quit smoking?
frylock
Mar 2014
#31
Right. They argued that their product should instead be classified as a tobacco product,
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#44
You're right, and that's what I'm saying. The FDA hasn't deemed e-cigarettes a tobacco product.
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#79
Nicotine IS a drug, so the FDA was on solid ground attempting to regulate these devices.
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#82
Of course nicotine is a drug! Aspirin came from willow bark and it's a drug, too.
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#84
Nicotine is a drug. Period. Cigarettes have given a special exemption from the normal regulations
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#90
Pure nicotine is a drug. And so is nicotine diluted with water to a lower concentration.
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#96
Do you understand that N-joy is one of the biggest and that it's made in China?
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#125
The burden is on you to prove the positive statement you made, not on me to disprove it.
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#131
Kids can buy them in retail stores in many states. They don't have to go online.
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#133
Not a single member of the industry supported the FDA's position, or appealed the judge's decision.
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#45
It is not legal currently to market them as a cessation product. But they are
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#7
wernt you already addicted to nicotine? that is why you smoke cigs for the nicotine right? n/t
Tyhanna
Mar 2014
#57
I've noticed that it's common for SOME people on this site to look down on others who
Revanchist
Mar 2014
#34
Yes, I never smoked in bed...My mother who drank and smoked set two fires in our home
angstlessk
Mar 2014
#53
I used to smoke cigs daily. Now I'll have maybe 1 or two a month at a most since e-cigs.
Kurska
Mar 2014
#25
Well, of course kids who drag on e cigs are going to become nicotine dependent, Captain Obvious
Warpy
Mar 2014
#60
Perfume doesn't release heated nano-particles of metals in vapor streams into the air.
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#114
Breathing in nano-particles of metals is a health issue. So is breathing in nicotine.
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#120
They are successful cessation devices for some. Successful replacements for others.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#98
I'm glad you are polite about it, but if these things are allowed in shared public spaces
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#102
Then it has gone through the approval process, just like the cigarettes and gum.
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#144
No. I'm an advocate of the FDA, whose job it is to approve of the safety and efficacy
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#148
I"ve never said that. I don't want to be exposed to the off-gas or to have these things
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#136
yeah, you said you wouldn't have a problem with e-cigs that contained no nicotine
fizzgig
Mar 2014
#137