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131. What if we discover, as we believe we have with homosexuality, that people are 'born' pedophiles?

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 05:39 PM

Mar 2014

Of course, I'm not comparing the two on a 'moral' basis, as obviously homosexuality involves no victim, but I'm asking a serious philosophical question.

If you are inclined towards the idea that people are 'born gay' (which I agree with), it logically follows that one should also (at least) entertain the idea that some might be born pedophiles as well, doesn't it? From an evolutionary perspective, it would actually make 'more sense', if you think about it.

Just for the sake of argument, though, let's say we eventual determined that it is so ... then what should we, as a society, DO about about such a discovery?

And just to make it more interesting on a philosophical basis, lets even take it a step further ... let's say we determine there's actually a 'pedo' gene that can be detected in a 12 week-old fetus?

What would be 'the proper response' to this discovery?

Not trying to get a 'rise' out of people (and again, not 'comparing' being pedo with being gay, so don't even go there), I'm just seriously curious what people think about this ...

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6'4" 250 lb. Man Rapes Three-year-old Daughter, Judge rules for HIS safety. No rape culture here! [View all] Tsiyu Mar 2014 OP

The judge and him should be cell mates . orpupilofnature57 Mar 2014 #1

so he can rape her? (nt) shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #152

No because their both Misogynists, and so She can enforce the orpupilofnature57 Mar 2014 #187

How do you know this judge is a misogynist in any way? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #240

I would have idea at all, based on your links that have Nothing orpupilofnature57 Mar 2014 #275

Those links provide a background of the judge. She has a history of sending rapists to jail NoOneMan Mar 2014 #276

nice save shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #248

When I made the statement I knew that a Man/Woman NEVER orpupilofnature57 Mar 2014 #255

probably you assumed that the judge was male shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #273

Your right about the lame cover up for not knowing the sex of the judge, orpupilofnature57 Mar 2014 #274

agreed shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #278

exactly. and every human being on this planet should scorn, ridicule, shame this rapist of babies. seabeyond Mar 2014 #2

Shame him? NYtoBush-Drop Dead Mar 2014 #49

I hope you really meant tar, feather and SLOWLY castrate. TxDemChem Mar 2014 #97

NOOOO! Not the dreaded SCORN and RIDICULE!! He's ONLY an INCESTUOUS TODDLER RAPIST! WinkyDink Mar 2014 #209

we are seeing more and more, men actually charged adn convicted getting totally off or less than a seabeyond Mar 2014 #3

Not discounting your post... Agschmid Mar 2014 #9

There have been a lot of news stories lately with low to suspended sentences for rapists BainsBane Mar 2014 #12

I'll check out HOF. Agschmid Mar 2014 #32

Link in this post to a couple Tsiyu Mar 2014 #148

Also been a lot of them in LBN. Really disgusting. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #246

a 16 yr old in calif by her coach, while unconscious, 1 yr. two in montana. seabeyond Mar 2014 #19

But there's no rape culture! Tsiyu Mar 2014 #10

THis guy is disgusting, but calling this rape culture is silly. Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #254

I know this isn't saying much, but at least we're seeing more and more people CHARGED. hughee99 Mar 2014 #155

you know what. you may... may be right. thanks. gonna think about it, seabeyond Mar 2014 #159

Counter view salin Mar 2014 #271

thanks salin.... seabeyond Mar 2014 #272

So what does that say about the female judge that let him walk? hobbit709 Mar 2014 #4

It means even women will steep themselves in rape culture Tsiyu Mar 2014 #11

^ this ^ is so important to understand. It bears repeating. It may even deserve its own OP. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #21

It does. Agschmid Mar 2014 #33

"Women can be rapists, too" Aerows Mar 2014 #117

Yes, a woman can be the abuser. eom. In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #169

It tells me secondvariety Mar 2014 #90

I think she was bought off as well. Ilsa Mar 2014 #135

That women too are influenced by rape culture BainsBane Mar 2014 #189

Means it's not about men vs. women so much as evil creeps vs. decent people. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #225

And doesn't even address visitation catrose Mar 2014 #237

You mean the Du Pont heir who got a pass because of his wealth & status? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #5

THEY SHOULD ALL GO TO JAIL Tsiyu Mar 2014 #13

If you are rich, nothing is a big deal most of the time NoOneMan Mar 2014 #18

I think you are having fun Tsiyu Mar 2014 #22

I think you are being purposely obtuse NoOneMan Mar 2014 #24

Ah, rape culture is a "talking point." Tsiyu Mar 2014 #26

The way its being used in the OP, most definitely NoOneMan Mar 2014 #29

Aww, are you manschooling me? Tsiyu Mar 2014 #31

I am saying you are terrible at this game your are playing NoOneMan Mar 2014 #37

Okay n/t Tsiyu Mar 2014 #42

Your debate skills are bad joeglow3 Mar 2014 #259

would you care to visit the African American Forum, or simply post to GD--Disputing Racism? BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #122

So the US culture promotes/accepts/forgives pedophilia and child rape as a whole? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #125

Excellent Aerows Mar 2014 #126

Why would I dispute something that is real? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #129

And I get bashed Aerows Mar 2014 #133

A sizable portion of the population is not pro-slavery or pro-lynching or pro-segregation. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #134

Huh? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #137

Well, maybe rape culture only exists in the 1%.. (?) Raine1967 Mar 2014 #50

Or maybe him getting off has fuck all to do with "rape culture" period. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #54

Well, I guess I misunderstood you, because with this post of yours you seem to agree with the OP. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #89

I couldn't disagree more with the OP NoOneMan Mar 2014 #105

but there are many other forms of rape it DOES minimize BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #132

Sure. I agree with you. This just isnt one of them. This is a deplorable taboo that society punishes NoOneMan Mar 2014 #136

Thanks for saying this. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #140

Child molesters are protected all the time Tsiyu Mar 2014 #146

Sandusky was protected within a micro-system. Our society ate him alive. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #149

So you read one line? Tsiyu Mar 2014 #153

Micro-systems are a part of the macro-system. antigone382 Mar 2014 #173

Tiny parts NoOneMan Mar 2014 #178

Yes, millions and millions of tiny parts which make up the whole. antigone382 Mar 2014 #185

The whole throws those victimizers in jail NoOneMan Mar 2014 #197

No, the "whole" does not. One aspect of culture--government enforcement--does. antigone382 Mar 2014 #202

You hang out with some pieces of shit joeglow3 Mar 2014 #260

I refer you to my post #182, which details the statistics of child sex abuse... antigone382 Mar 2014 #261

Does your report show the percentage of 3 year olds who are victimized? joeglow3 Mar 2014 #263

My understanding of the report I cited is that this statistic refers to pre-teens. antigone382 Mar 2014 #265

The link said those percentages were for people sexually abused prior to turning 18 joeglow3 Mar 2014 #267

but the most significant parts, when it truly matters. bettyellen Mar 2014 #195

Thank you for this post. Excellent links. thucythucy Mar 2014 #234

I think this has more to do with money. Separation Mar 2014 #188

They are rapists as well Tsiyu Mar 2014 #191

Aside from the "rape culture" another example of 2 sets of laws meadowlark5 Mar 2014 #6

Yes, I agree. People are confusing the Rape Culture with Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #88

No we are not Tsiyu Mar 2014 #150

I don't deny that this is true of rape culture. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #164

Many rape regardless of age Tsiyu Mar 2014 #166

" Many rape regardless of age�" Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #171

It's a crime of opportunity sometimes Tsiyu Mar 2014 #172

I have done a lot of work with both perpetrators and victims myself. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #177

Facts are always the best things to bring to the table Tsiyu Mar 2014 #179

Peace to you. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #181

Yeah, it's encouraging Tsiyu Mar 2014 #184

Right. Too small a sample to draw conclusions. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #207

You shouldn't have to feel like a criminal to get relief Tsiyu Mar 2014 #211

There's a district attorney in East Texas who refuses to prosecute a serial sex offender. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2014 #242

Well Done! Succinct Distinctions between Rape Culture and "The Rich Get Away with Anything.. .. 2banon Mar 2014 #157

In the domanant US culture cpwm17 Mar 2014 #7

In the dominant US culture Tsiyu Mar 2014 #15

"RAPE culture means the rapist is protected" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #20

Yes, the country failed all the children this monster will go on to abuse Tsiyu Mar 2014 #25

Please provide a link to Jimmy Carter stating this Du Pont heir got off because of "rape culture" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #28

You are talking to yourself again, Dear Tsiyu Mar 2014 #34

Jimmy Carter mentioned Robert H. Richards by name? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #39

Aren't you just cute Tsiyu Mar 2014 #41

Disappointed that this steaming pile is being exposed as a steaming pile? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #43

okay n/t Tsiyu Mar 2014 #44

Well, this would also go back to white male privilege, would you not agree? boston bean Mar 2014 #57

Uh, white trailer trash incestuous pedophiles don't get off due to "white male privilege" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #61

You think that many white males, even if living in a trailer boston bean Mar 2014 #64

As far as I am aware... NoOneMan Mar 2014 #74

Really, you don't think that many get off due to the acceptance of their act? boston bean Mar 2014 #78

No, because I don't think our culture finds incest and pedophilia as acceptable NoOneMan Mar 2014 #79

Culture says it doesn't find it acceptable but all evidence boston bean Mar 2014 #81

Yes, I deny that. I think its horseshit NoOneMan Mar 2014 #82

Guess you never were molested and the perpetrator never prosecuted. boston bean Mar 2014 #84

We on DU have heard your stories many, many, many times. Atman Mar 2014 #86

What the hell do you know about what I've "suffered"? boston bean Mar 2014 #92

Because you've told us a million times, every chance you get. Atman Mar 2014 #99

That is serious bullshit. I have NEVER discussed anything like that on DU. boston bean Mar 2014 #101

Says you. Repeatly. Atman Mar 2014 #104

seriously dude? boston bean Mar 2014 #106

Of course you don't give a crap what anyone else thinks. Atman Mar 2014 #108

Don't you feel sorry for me and then insult me like I'm some sort of freak boston bean Mar 2014 #112

Seriously? You are going to use the "Because you discuss this you must be damaged" argument? Squinch Mar 2014 #141

Okay..... Tsiyu Mar 2014 #161

Harsh Tsiyu Mar 2014 #156

Whether I was or not doesn't mean a culture widely promotes and accepts it NoOneMan Mar 2014 #94

I thought we were discussing the punishment of it? boston bean Mar 2014 #95

If a culture considers something a gross violation and taboo, normally it punishes it NoOneMan Mar 2014 #98

of course there are laws. boston bean Mar 2014 #103

Who blames victims of incest and pedophilia? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #109

They don't say it. boston bean Mar 2014 #114

I live in a culture that finds incest, pedophilia and child rape as disgusting and deplorable NoOneMan Mar 2014 #121

In your sheltered, uninformed opinion. boston bean Mar 2014 #124

In my sheltered life, I've never met a soul in favor of child rape. Not a single fucking person NoOneMan Mar 2014 #128

How can YOU explain the "low prosectution?" Do you have numbers to back this up? Atman Mar 2014 #115

Many are NEVER prosecuted for many of the same reasons boston bean Mar 2014 #118

"Jesus Christ, I didn't think this would be such a controversial thing to say." Atman Mar 2014 #123

What about all the pedophile priests? Texasgal Mar 2014 #160

I don't think anyone beyond the church authority accepted & protected them NoOneMan Mar 2014 #162

So a small percentage Texasgal Mar 2014 #167

No, I think it happened because the majority of Americans wished it to NoOneMan Mar 2014 #180

WHO IS ACCEPTING IT??? Atman Mar 2014 #107

Look, I agree completely NoOneMan Mar 2014 #111

No one is saying YAY RAPE. boston bean Mar 2014 #116

BULLSHIT Atman Mar 2014 #119

The AGs office who took a lesser plea exboyfil Mar 2014 #251

Dominant US culture? kjones Mar 2014 #143

No prison for the rape of a 3 yr old... I don't even know how to respond to this... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #8

This makes me feel sick to my stomach. In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #35

So messed up treestar Mar 2014 #14

The Dupont heir? I'd consider that more evidence of oligarchy than rape culture. Jim__ Mar 2014 #16

I don't think this has much to do with "rape culture" or "affluenza" LittleBlue Mar 2014 #17

"Nope, no rape culture here...." 99Forever Mar 2014 #23

Good. But it's not about you. Scootaloo Mar 2014 #30

"Here" being the US Tsiyu Mar 2014 #40

What this actually "highlights"... 99Forever Mar 2014 #45

I don't think anyone but handful in the country would agree with the judge NoOneMan Mar 2014 #48

"Here" refers to the US Tsiyu Mar 2014 #52

Condescending much? 99Forever Mar 2014 #205

You asked for clarification on a somewhat ambiguous use of the word "here" antigone382 Mar 2014 #215

Cut off his penis. trueblue2007 Mar 2014 #27

When I look at this picture... ljm2002 Mar 2014 #36

One story = evidence of rape culture. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #38

The Op is obviously talking about rape culture Texasgal Mar 2014 #46

It's more about Affluenza and less about rape culture. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #58

Can't we just agree that it's both? Control-Z Mar 2014 #222

I'm talking about in the US Tsiyu Mar 2014 #47

I'd like a culture where people also don't get their cars stolen or their homes broken into. Atman Mar 2014 #63

Jimmy Carter disagrees Tsiyu Mar 2014 #67

Do 1/6th to 1/3rd of all Americans get their cars stolen? antigone382 Mar 2014 #182

This would make a great, informative OP! Control-Z Mar 2014 #223

"I'd like a culture where people also don't get their cars stolen or their homes broken into." nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #226

I dont see how this has anything to do with rape culture qazplm Mar 2014 #51

Downplaying the severity of violent sex crimes. That's rape culture. n/t nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #227

This may be more about the very wealthy Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #53

Sorry, I don't buy into the constant "Rape Culture" angle on DU. Atman Mar 2014 #55

It is evidence that rape is almost always minimized Tsiyu Mar 2014 #60

Nope. Atman Mar 2014 #70

Okay Tsiyu Mar 2014 #76

I used to work for a foster care agency. We once had a court order to supervise a visit between LeftyMom Mar 2014 #68

Once again, how is that our "CULTURE" instead of a stupid judge? Atman Mar 2014 #72

Because the judge who made the decision is a product of the culture. He wasn't grown in a vat. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #80

The judge is a SHE and she was paid off by a billionaire. Atman Mar 2014 #85

The judge I am referring to in the case I was talking about was not. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #96

1/3? You have something to back that up? Atman Mar 2014 #102

Is Google down? LeftyMom Mar 2014 #110

sure qazplm Mar 2014 #87

Spot on. Atman Mar 2014 #93

You're right, we don't see rapists going free. We see them walking free without ever going to court. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #100

that's a different thing qazplm Mar 2014 #196

Thank you Tsiyu Mar 2014 #73

Right, rape is not a culture nor is it generally an accepted part of our culture. phleshdef Mar 2014 #277

IF it were my kid mzteris Mar 2014 #56

Problem is... it is HIS kid... Xyzse Mar 2014 #266

Disgusting. Piece. Of. Shit. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #59

I'm with you and agree Tsiyu Mar 2014 #65

No words to describe how sickening this is. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #62

This is not about rape culture. RandySF Mar 2014 #66

It's a disgusting verdict malaise Mar 2014 #69

This guy got off because of his family ties and wealth penultimate Mar 2014 #71

Yep, this was just another case of 'affluenza' not rape culture. LAGC Mar 2014 #91

Note to myself.... CANDO Mar 2014 #75

Well, the little slut had it coming Warpy Mar 2014 #77

excuse me, I have to demigoddess Mar 2014 #83

Judge decides rapist of his own children can't be protected by prison system. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #113

Why don't we all get 840high Mar 2014 #120

because she was following the sentencing recommendations shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #158

What a world. 840high Mar 2014 #186

Because if there's one thing that our society condones... shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #127

lol NoOneMan Mar 2014 #130

if you're wondering why the state hasn't appealed... shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #151

"Interfere with the narrative" lol Tsiyu Mar 2014 #174

I am struggling, bound hand and foot... shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #206

Okay I just threw up a little Tsiyu Mar 2014 #208

I will, hombre shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #213

No filter? Control-Z Mar 2014 #224

It's not so bad shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #233

If there's one thign I've discovered it's that people don't always get sarcasm ... brett_jv Mar 2014 #142

ne regrette rien shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #147

What if we discover, as we believe we have with homosexuality, that people are 'born' pedophiles? brett_jv Mar 2014 #131

Gosh! Pseudophilosophical discussion games about child rape! Squinch Mar 2014 #144

These threads bring out the winners! Tsiyu Mar 2014 #163

Good to see you too! Squinch Mar 2014 #175

Wow, you two are really clever ... brett_jv Mar 2014 #236

Good Lord... secondvariety Mar 2014 #190

That's like ... deep, man. brett_jv Mar 2014 #239

Dear Judge: let him babysit your grandkids if you think Ilsa Mar 2014 #138

someone greased Judge Jurden's palm pretty extravagantly.... BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #139

He said it was an "accident"? WTF? How do you accidentally do that. Just more proof that..... Logical Mar 2014 #145

Not to mention his infant son. I feel nauseated. Absent incarceration, he will not stop. Hekate Mar 2014 #154

Sick Cowards. Confront an ADULT WOMAN HockeyMom Mar 2014 #165

The judge ought to be investigated Onlooker Mar 2014 #168

If we as a society truly cared Tsiyu Mar 2014 #170

There are four degrees of rape? malthaussen Mar 2014 #176

That would vary by state law. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #183

How is this not an example of both? Out of Time Man Mar 2014 #192

Thank you Out of Time Man Tsiyu Mar 2014 #194

Thank you for the warm welcome! Out of Time Man Mar 2014 #200

This is beyond the pale. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #193

And a known child rapist going free Tsiyu Mar 2014 #198

True Enthusiast Mar 2014 #203

This seems more like an example of a 'Money Talks' culture than of a rape culture. Chemisse Mar 2014 #199

Another scumbag DuPont NoGOPZone Mar 2014 #201

This judge lsewpershad Mar 2014 #204

Maybe a lobotomy, a straight jacket, and a padded room are what this guy needs. Nolimit Mar 2014 #210

Maybe I'm wrong, but this example does not support your case. Xipe Totec Mar 2014 #212

Also shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #214

#281 nt Xipe Totec Apr 2014 #282

that's numberwang! nt shaayecanaan Apr 2014 #284

LOL! Xipe Totec Apr 2014 #285

You realize he is free to rape again Tsiyu Mar 2014 #217

Look up argument from consequences. Xipe Totec Apr 2014 #281

This is an obvious case of class bias and not "rape" culture. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #216

A repeat Tsiyu Mar 2014 #218

Seems more indicative of a two-tiered justice system to me. Marr Mar 2014 #219

Literal incarnation of the Pigs running Animal Farm. Guess who goes to the glue factory? n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #220

I think there is a rape culture problem dsc Mar 2014 #221

The face of old money inbreeding s not a pretty face Tom Ripley Mar 2014 #228

A three year old?! Three? Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #229

This is the shit money doesn't buy Tsiyu Mar 2014 #230

I think both money and culture play into this one. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #231

I hear you Tsiyu Mar 2014 #232

Yeah, if we could treat sex offenders then we could stop others from getting hurt. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #247

Has she done the same for other child rapists? And this dude committed incest, and with 2 of his Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #235

She has sent plenty of rapists to jail NoOneMan Mar 2014 #238

Hmmmmmmmmmm... she's going to be looked at differently after this. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #241

Hopefully this whole thing leads to an investigation NoOneMan Mar 2014 #244

Maybe she feels rich criminals are too delicate to deal with prison. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #269

affluenza d_b Mar 2014 #243

This has fuck-all to do with "rape culture" tkmorris Mar 2014 #245

yep. "rape culture" is when jocks and frat boys get away with it. This is a whole different deal yurbud Mar 2014 #257

It sure looks like the AGs exboyfil Mar 2014 #249

What a bizarre OP AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #250

you left out that he's not just rich, he's a DU PONT yurbud Mar 2014 #252

Why let facts get in the way of exploiting a rape case for a talking point? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #264

Our Justice System is such utter shit. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #253

It helps to own a state. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #256

I used to say the rich could eat babies on the White House lawn and not get prosecuted yurbud Mar 2014 #258

I expect to see more "affluenza" defenses in the future Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #262

saw du Pont heir and thought the same WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #268

Amazing article. It seeks so many statements from officials The Second Stone Mar 2014 #270

And others are in prison for possessing some. Great justice system we have here. Vattel Mar 2014 #279

Wait WHUT? Blue Owl Mar 2014 #280

sub "du Pont heir" for "6'4" 250lb" WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #283