E-cigarettes 'should not be marketed as smoking cessation aids'

[pnwmom]

131. The burden is on you to prove the positive statement you made, not on me to disprove it.

You were the one who claimed, on no basis at all, that e-juice manufacturers used pharmaceutical grade products. There is no law that requires them to do so and I've never seen any evidence that they all did. So if you know otherwise, show me.

You're also wrong about the safety caps. They have childproof packaging, but as soon as the seal is broken, there is no more childproof packaging. The tips are not child-proofed. This isn't the case with other drugs. For example, an aspirin bottle has a safety cap. Even after you break the seal, the safety cap is still usable, and is in place between every use.

And you're wrong about 99.9 percent of vendors requiring the purchasers to be 18. Online vendors ask their customers to assert that they are over 18, but there is nothing in place to require it -- any 13 year old could claim he was 18. And in many states teens can easily buy these things in retail stores, too. No one's stopping them.

This is from a pro- vape site. It explains that even the products that say made in the USA almost always have ingredients that come from China.

http://blog.e-cigexpress.com/2013/03/made-in-usa-e-liquid-well-sort-of.html


There is an even bigger, far more serious problem with American e-liquid that nobody ever talks about, though. As you may have noticed above, I have placed words like "American-made," "manufacturer" and "Made in the USA" in quotes for a reason. Despite adamant assertions that their E-liquid is "100% American made" (there I go with the quotes again), not one of these companies has been able to answer the questions I always ask when the whole U.S.A. made e-liquid claim is made ...

"How exactly do you go about extracting the liquid nicotine from the tobacco? Where is your factory that does that? What is its address? Can I tour your factory?" If you aren't actually manufacturing the nicotine, where does it originate from?" When pressed, many of them will admit that they don't actually manufacture the liquid nicotine portion of the e-juice, adding, "but we add flavors made here in the USA and we are the ones who are doing the mixing." If I wanted to, I might even question whether the flavors, themselves, which may have been bought from a U.S. company, were actually manufactured in the United States. If I really want to nail them down (which I rarely do anymore - I've grown bored with the game), some of them will admit that they are buying either unflavored liquid nicotine from China or unflavored propylene glycol-based e-liquid from China (which they then cut with the cheaper vegetable glycerine).

In other words, "Made in the USA" really means "flavored in the USA." Ironic, isn't it, that the one and only component in e-liquid that has the potential to be toxic - the nicotine - is still being supplied by China - especially when you consider the fact that so many people are purchasing the "USA E-Juice" because they are uneasy about how well the e-liquid in China might be regulated? Now, I could be wrong; there very well could be some plant here in the United States that is producing pure liquid nicotine. I've never found such a place and I have searched! Even if that place does exist, it still does not solve the most worrisome problem ...

Pure nicotine is an incredibly dangerous substance - nearly twice as toxic as cocaine! I have no problem agreeing with the point that we may have less corrupt regulators here in the U.S.A. and that the regulators here might have more stringent guidelines than the regulators do in China. That is, if there was any actual regulation of e-liquid being done in the United States. The fact is, there is nobody at all regulating the stuff being produced in this country. Maybe I'm just crazy, but I think I'd rather have suspect Chinese regulation being done than none at all! And, we're not talking about some simple battery and heating element device that isn't being tested here; we are talking about places that are mixing and measuring flavors with poison!