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brett_jv

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236. Wow, you two are really clever ...

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:59 PM

Mar 2014

Last edited Mon Mar 31, 2014, 01:02 AM - Edit history (2)

Yet, when you're done patting one another on the back for your mutual cleverness, my question will remain. And to be precise, it's not a question about 'child rape' its a question about 'why the hell does anyone DO THIS?!?".

Don't you think it seems a little over-simplistic to think that ALL there is to 'pedophilia' is 'lol dummy ... it's bad-guys!'

Personally, I think it is. Overly-simplistic, I mean.

Apparently, the two of you don't. I believe it's a valid question, and I asked it w/o the slightest hint of irony .. but you obviously don't ... perhaps because you've already got things 'all figured out'. To that I can only say ... I'm happy for you!

I was hoping DU might be a place for something approaching an 'intelligent dialog' on a topic that's actually quite vexing and unfortunately pervasive (my own father, who I love dearly, being one victim ... by the hand of my grandfather), but it's apparently more a place for sophomoric ridicule when it comes to topics without a simple 'sound-byte' type of answer.

Duly noted.

Oh, and by the way, lest you (entirely wrongly) believe I'm totally pulling this concept from ... I dunno WHERE ... perhaps you should take this in. And let me add ... I suspected this might be the case long before I read that article.

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6'4" 250 lb. Man Rapes Three-year-old Daughter, Judge rules for HIS safety. No rape culture here! [View all] Tsiyu Mar 2014 OP

The judge and him should be cell mates . orpupilofnature57 Mar 2014 #1

so he can rape her? (nt) shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #152

No because their both Misogynists, and so She can enforce the orpupilofnature57 Mar 2014 #187

How do you know this judge is a misogynist in any way? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #240

I would have idea at all, based on your links that have Nothing orpupilofnature57 Mar 2014 #275

Those links provide a background of the judge. She has a history of sending rapists to jail NoOneMan Mar 2014 #276

nice save shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #248

When I made the statement I knew that a Man/Woman NEVER orpupilofnature57 Mar 2014 #255

probably you assumed that the judge was male shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #273

Your right about the lame cover up for not knowing the sex of the judge, orpupilofnature57 Mar 2014 #274

agreed shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #278

exactly. and every human being on this planet should scorn, ridicule, shame this rapist of babies. seabeyond Mar 2014 #2

Shame him? NYtoBush-Drop Dead Mar 2014 #49

I hope you really meant tar, feather and SLOWLY castrate. TxDemChem Mar 2014 #97

NOOOO! Not the dreaded SCORN and RIDICULE!! He's ONLY an INCESTUOUS TODDLER RAPIST! WinkyDink Mar 2014 #209

we are seeing more and more, men actually charged adn convicted getting totally off or less than a seabeyond Mar 2014 #3

Not discounting your post... Agschmid Mar 2014 #9

There have been a lot of news stories lately with low to suspended sentences for rapists BainsBane Mar 2014 #12

I'll check out HOF. Agschmid Mar 2014 #32

Link in this post to a couple Tsiyu Mar 2014 #148

Also been a lot of them in LBN. Really disgusting. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #246

a 16 yr old in calif by her coach, while unconscious, 1 yr. two in montana. seabeyond Mar 2014 #19

But there's no rape culture! Tsiyu Mar 2014 #10

THis guy is disgusting, but calling this rape culture is silly. Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #254

I know this isn't saying much, but at least we're seeing more and more people CHARGED. hughee99 Mar 2014 #155

you know what. you may... may be right. thanks. gonna think about it, seabeyond Mar 2014 #159

Counter view salin Mar 2014 #271

thanks salin.... seabeyond Mar 2014 #272

So what does that say about the female judge that let him walk? hobbit709 Mar 2014 #4

It means even women will steep themselves in rape culture Tsiyu Mar 2014 #11

^ this ^ is so important to understand. It bears repeating. It may even deserve its own OP. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #21

It does. Agschmid Mar 2014 #33

"Women can be rapists, too" Aerows Mar 2014 #117

Yes, a woman can be the abuser. eom. In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #169

It tells me secondvariety Mar 2014 #90

I think she was bought off as well. Ilsa Mar 2014 #135

That women too are influenced by rape culture BainsBane Mar 2014 #189

Means it's not about men vs. women so much as evil creeps vs. decent people. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #225

And doesn't even address visitation catrose Mar 2014 #237

You mean the Du Pont heir who got a pass because of his wealth & status? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #5

THEY SHOULD ALL GO TO JAIL Tsiyu Mar 2014 #13

If you are rich, nothing is a big deal most of the time NoOneMan Mar 2014 #18

I think you are having fun Tsiyu Mar 2014 #22

I think you are being purposely obtuse NoOneMan Mar 2014 #24

Ah, rape culture is a "talking point." Tsiyu Mar 2014 #26

The way its being used in the OP, most definitely NoOneMan Mar 2014 #29

Aww, are you manschooling me? Tsiyu Mar 2014 #31

I am saying you are terrible at this game your are playing NoOneMan Mar 2014 #37

Okay n/t Tsiyu Mar 2014 #42

Your debate skills are bad joeglow3 Mar 2014 #259

would you care to visit the African American Forum, or simply post to GD--Disputing Racism? BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #122

So the US culture promotes/accepts/forgives pedophilia and child rape as a whole? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #125

Excellent Aerows Mar 2014 #126

Why would I dispute something that is real? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #129

And I get bashed Aerows Mar 2014 #133

A sizable portion of the population is not pro-slavery or pro-lynching or pro-segregation. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #134

Huh? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #137

Well, maybe rape culture only exists in the 1%.. (?) Raine1967 Mar 2014 #50

Or maybe him getting off has fuck all to do with "rape culture" period. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #54

Well, I guess I misunderstood you, because with this post of yours you seem to agree with the OP. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #89

I couldn't disagree more with the OP NoOneMan Mar 2014 #105

but there are many other forms of rape it DOES minimize BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #132

Sure. I agree with you. This just isnt one of them. This is a deplorable taboo that society punishes NoOneMan Mar 2014 #136

Thanks for saying this. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #140

Child molesters are protected all the time Tsiyu Mar 2014 #146

Sandusky was protected within a micro-system. Our society ate him alive. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #149

So you read one line? Tsiyu Mar 2014 #153

Micro-systems are a part of the macro-system. antigone382 Mar 2014 #173

Tiny parts NoOneMan Mar 2014 #178

Yes, millions and millions of tiny parts which make up the whole. antigone382 Mar 2014 #185

The whole throws those victimizers in jail NoOneMan Mar 2014 #197

No, the "whole" does not. One aspect of culture--government enforcement--does. antigone382 Mar 2014 #202

You hang out with some pieces of shit joeglow3 Mar 2014 #260

I refer you to my post #182, which details the statistics of child sex abuse... antigone382 Mar 2014 #261

Does your report show the percentage of 3 year olds who are victimized? joeglow3 Mar 2014 #263

My understanding of the report I cited is that this statistic refers to pre-teens. antigone382 Mar 2014 #265

The link said those percentages were for people sexually abused prior to turning 18 joeglow3 Mar 2014 #267

but the most significant parts, when it truly matters. bettyellen Mar 2014 #195

Thank you for this post. Excellent links. thucythucy Mar 2014 #234

I think this has more to do with money. Separation Mar 2014 #188

They are rapists as well Tsiyu Mar 2014 #191

Aside from the "rape culture" another example of 2 sets of laws meadowlark5 Mar 2014 #6

Yes, I agree. People are confusing the Rape Culture with Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #88

No we are not Tsiyu Mar 2014 #150

I don't deny that this is true of rape culture. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #164

Many rape regardless of age Tsiyu Mar 2014 #166

" Many rape regardless of age�" Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #171

It's a crime of opportunity sometimes Tsiyu Mar 2014 #172

I have done a lot of work with both perpetrators and victims myself. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #177

Facts are always the best things to bring to the table Tsiyu Mar 2014 #179

Peace to you. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #181

Yeah, it's encouraging Tsiyu Mar 2014 #184

Right. Too small a sample to draw conclusions. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #207

You shouldn't have to feel like a criminal to get relief Tsiyu Mar 2014 #211

There's a district attorney in East Texas who refuses to prosecute a serial sex offender. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2014 #242

Well Done! Succinct Distinctions between Rape Culture and "The Rich Get Away with Anything.. .. 2banon Mar 2014 #157

In the domanant US culture cpwm17 Mar 2014 #7

In the dominant US culture Tsiyu Mar 2014 #15

"RAPE culture means the rapist is protected" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #20

Yes, the country failed all the children this monster will go on to abuse Tsiyu Mar 2014 #25

Please provide a link to Jimmy Carter stating this Du Pont heir got off because of "rape culture" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #28

You are talking to yourself again, Dear Tsiyu Mar 2014 #34

Jimmy Carter mentioned Robert H. Richards by name? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #39

Aren't you just cute Tsiyu Mar 2014 #41

Disappointed that this steaming pile is being exposed as a steaming pile? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #43

okay n/t Tsiyu Mar 2014 #44

Well, this would also go back to white male privilege, would you not agree? boston bean Mar 2014 #57

Uh, white trailer trash incestuous pedophiles don't get off due to "white male privilege" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #61

You think that many white males, even if living in a trailer boston bean Mar 2014 #64

As far as I am aware... NoOneMan Mar 2014 #74

Really, you don't think that many get off due to the acceptance of their act? boston bean Mar 2014 #78

No, because I don't think our culture finds incest and pedophilia as acceptable NoOneMan Mar 2014 #79

Culture says it doesn't find it acceptable but all evidence boston bean Mar 2014 #81

Yes, I deny that. I think its horseshit NoOneMan Mar 2014 #82

Guess you never were molested and the perpetrator never prosecuted. boston bean Mar 2014 #84

We on DU have heard your stories many, many, many times. Atman Mar 2014 #86

What the hell do you know about what I've "suffered"? boston bean Mar 2014 #92

Because you've told us a million times, every chance you get. Atman Mar 2014 #99

That is serious bullshit. I have NEVER discussed anything like that on DU. boston bean Mar 2014 #101

Says you. Repeatly. Atman Mar 2014 #104

seriously dude? boston bean Mar 2014 #106

Of course you don't give a crap what anyone else thinks. Atman Mar 2014 #108

Don't you feel sorry for me and then insult me like I'm some sort of freak boston bean Mar 2014 #112

Seriously? You are going to use the "Because you discuss this you must be damaged" argument? Squinch Mar 2014 #141

Okay..... Tsiyu Mar 2014 #161

Harsh Tsiyu Mar 2014 #156

Whether I was or not doesn't mean a culture widely promotes and accepts it NoOneMan Mar 2014 #94

I thought we were discussing the punishment of it? boston bean Mar 2014 #95

If a culture considers something a gross violation and taboo, normally it punishes it NoOneMan Mar 2014 #98

of course there are laws. boston bean Mar 2014 #103

Who blames victims of incest and pedophilia? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #109

They don't say it. boston bean Mar 2014 #114

I live in a culture that finds incest, pedophilia and child rape as disgusting and deplorable NoOneMan Mar 2014 #121

In your sheltered, uninformed opinion. boston bean Mar 2014 #124

In my sheltered life, I've never met a soul in favor of child rape. Not a single fucking person NoOneMan Mar 2014 #128

How can YOU explain the "low prosectution?" Do you have numbers to back this up? Atman Mar 2014 #115

Many are NEVER prosecuted for many of the same reasons boston bean Mar 2014 #118

"Jesus Christ, I didn't think this would be such a controversial thing to say." Atman Mar 2014 #123

What about all the pedophile priests? Texasgal Mar 2014 #160

I don't think anyone beyond the church authority accepted & protected them NoOneMan Mar 2014 #162

So a small percentage Texasgal Mar 2014 #167

No, I think it happened because the majority of Americans wished it to NoOneMan Mar 2014 #180

WHO IS ACCEPTING IT??? Atman Mar 2014 #107

Look, I agree completely NoOneMan Mar 2014 #111

No one is saying YAY RAPE. boston bean Mar 2014 #116

BULLSHIT Atman Mar 2014 #119

The AGs office who took a lesser plea exboyfil Mar 2014 #251

Dominant US culture? kjones Mar 2014 #143

No prison for the rape of a 3 yr old... I don't even know how to respond to this... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #8

This makes me feel sick to my stomach. In_The_Wind Mar 2014 #35

So messed up treestar Mar 2014 #14

The Dupont heir? I'd consider that more evidence of oligarchy than rape culture. Jim__ Mar 2014 #16

I don't think this has much to do with "rape culture" or "affluenza" LittleBlue Mar 2014 #17

"Nope, no rape culture here...." 99Forever Mar 2014 #23

Good. But it's not about you. Scootaloo Mar 2014 #30

"Here" being the US Tsiyu Mar 2014 #40

What this actually "highlights"... 99Forever Mar 2014 #45

I don't think anyone but handful in the country would agree with the judge NoOneMan Mar 2014 #48

"Here" refers to the US Tsiyu Mar 2014 #52

Condescending much? 99Forever Mar 2014 #205

You asked for clarification on a somewhat ambiguous use of the word "here" antigone382 Mar 2014 #215

Cut off his penis. trueblue2007 Mar 2014 #27

When I look at this picture... ljm2002 Mar 2014 #36

One story = evidence of rape culture. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #38

The Op is obviously talking about rape culture Texasgal Mar 2014 #46

It's more about Affluenza and less about rape culture. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #58

Can't we just agree that it's both? Control-Z Mar 2014 #222

I'm talking about in the US Tsiyu Mar 2014 #47

I'd like a culture where people also don't get their cars stolen or their homes broken into. Atman Mar 2014 #63

Jimmy Carter disagrees Tsiyu Mar 2014 #67

Do 1/6th to 1/3rd of all Americans get their cars stolen? antigone382 Mar 2014 #182

This would make a great, informative OP! Control-Z Mar 2014 #223

"I'd like a culture where people also don't get their cars stolen or their homes broken into." nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #226

I dont see how this has anything to do with rape culture qazplm Mar 2014 #51

Downplaying the severity of violent sex crimes. That's rape culture. n/t nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #227

This may be more about the very wealthy Crunchy Frog Mar 2014 #53

Sorry, I don't buy into the constant "Rape Culture" angle on DU. Atman Mar 2014 #55

It is evidence that rape is almost always minimized Tsiyu Mar 2014 #60

Nope. Atman Mar 2014 #70

Okay Tsiyu Mar 2014 #76

I used to work for a foster care agency. We once had a court order to supervise a visit between LeftyMom Mar 2014 #68

Once again, how is that our "CULTURE" instead of a stupid judge? Atman Mar 2014 #72

Because the judge who made the decision is a product of the culture. He wasn't grown in a vat. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #80

The judge is a SHE and she was paid off by a billionaire. Atman Mar 2014 #85

The judge I am referring to in the case I was talking about was not. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #96

1/3? You have something to back that up? Atman Mar 2014 #102

Is Google down? LeftyMom Mar 2014 #110

sure qazplm Mar 2014 #87

Spot on. Atman Mar 2014 #93

You're right, we don't see rapists going free. We see them walking free without ever going to court. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #100

that's a different thing qazplm Mar 2014 #196

Thank you Tsiyu Mar 2014 #73

Right, rape is not a culture nor is it generally an accepted part of our culture. phleshdef Mar 2014 #277

IF it were my kid mzteris Mar 2014 #56

Problem is... it is HIS kid... Xyzse Mar 2014 #266

Disgusting. Piece. Of. Shit. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #59

I'm with you and agree Tsiyu Mar 2014 #65

No words to describe how sickening this is. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #62

This is not about rape culture. RandySF Mar 2014 #66

It's a disgusting verdict malaise Mar 2014 #69

This guy got off because of his family ties and wealth penultimate Mar 2014 #71

Yep, this was just another case of 'affluenza' not rape culture. LAGC Mar 2014 #91

Note to myself.... CANDO Mar 2014 #75

Well, the little slut had it coming Warpy Mar 2014 #77

excuse me, I have to demigoddess Mar 2014 #83

Judge decides rapist of his own children can't be protected by prison system. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #113

Why don't we all get 840high Mar 2014 #120

because she was following the sentencing recommendations shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #158

What a world. 840high Mar 2014 #186

Because if there's one thing that our society condones... shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #127

lol NoOneMan Mar 2014 #130

if you're wondering why the state hasn't appealed... shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #151

"Interfere with the narrative" lol Tsiyu Mar 2014 #174

I am struggling, bound hand and foot... shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #206

Okay I just threw up a little Tsiyu Mar 2014 #208

I will, hombre shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #213

No filter? Control-Z Mar 2014 #224

It's not so bad shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #233

If there's one thign I've discovered it's that people don't always get sarcasm ... brett_jv Mar 2014 #142

ne regrette rien shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #147

What if we discover, as we believe we have with homosexuality, that people are 'born' pedophiles? brett_jv Mar 2014 #131

Gosh! Pseudophilosophical discussion games about child rape! Squinch Mar 2014 #144

These threads bring out the winners! Tsiyu Mar 2014 #163

Good to see you too! Squinch Mar 2014 #175

Wow, you two are really clever ... brett_jv Mar 2014 #236

Good Lord... secondvariety Mar 2014 #190

That's like ... deep, man. brett_jv Mar 2014 #239

Dear Judge: let him babysit your grandkids if you think Ilsa Mar 2014 #138

someone greased Judge Jurden's palm pretty extravagantly.... BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #139

He said it was an "accident"? WTF? How do you accidentally do that. Just more proof that..... Logical Mar 2014 #145

Not to mention his infant son. I feel nauseated. Absent incarceration, he will not stop. Hekate Mar 2014 #154

Sick Cowards. Confront an ADULT WOMAN HockeyMom Mar 2014 #165

The judge ought to be investigated Onlooker Mar 2014 #168

If we as a society truly cared Tsiyu Mar 2014 #170

There are four degrees of rape? malthaussen Mar 2014 #176

That would vary by state law. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #183

How is this not an example of both? Out of Time Man Mar 2014 #192

Thank you Out of Time Man Tsiyu Mar 2014 #194

Thank you for the warm welcome! Out of Time Man Mar 2014 #200

This is beyond the pale. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #193

And a known child rapist going free Tsiyu Mar 2014 #198

True Enthusiast Mar 2014 #203

This seems more like an example of a 'Money Talks' culture than of a rape culture. Chemisse Mar 2014 #199

Another scumbag DuPont NoGOPZone Mar 2014 #201

This judge lsewpershad Mar 2014 #204

Maybe a lobotomy, a straight jacket, and a padded room are what this guy needs. Nolimit Mar 2014 #210

Maybe I'm wrong, but this example does not support your case. Xipe Totec Mar 2014 #212

Also shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #214

#281 nt Xipe Totec Apr 2014 #282

that's numberwang! nt shaayecanaan Apr 2014 #284

LOL! Xipe Totec Apr 2014 #285

You realize he is free to rape again Tsiyu Mar 2014 #217

Look up argument from consequences. Xipe Totec Apr 2014 #281

This is an obvious case of class bias and not "rape" culture. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #216

A repeat Tsiyu Mar 2014 #218

Seems more indicative of a two-tiered justice system to me. Marr Mar 2014 #219

Literal incarnation of the Pigs running Animal Farm. Guess who goes to the glue factory? n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #220

I think there is a rape culture problem dsc Mar 2014 #221

The face of old money inbreeding s not a pretty face Tom Ripley Mar 2014 #228

A three year old?! Three? Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #229

This is the shit money doesn't buy Tsiyu Mar 2014 #230

I think both money and culture play into this one. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #231

I hear you Tsiyu Mar 2014 #232

Yeah, if we could treat sex offenders then we could stop others from getting hurt. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #247

Has she done the same for other child rapists? And this dude committed incest, and with 2 of his Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #235

She has sent plenty of rapists to jail NoOneMan Mar 2014 #238

Hmmmmmmmmmm... she's going to be looked at differently after this. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #241

Hopefully this whole thing leads to an investigation NoOneMan Mar 2014 #244

Maybe she feels rich criminals are too delicate to deal with prison. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #269

affluenza d_b Mar 2014 #243

This has fuck-all to do with "rape culture" tkmorris Mar 2014 #245

yep. "rape culture" is when jocks and frat boys get away with it. This is a whole different deal yurbud Mar 2014 #257

It sure looks like the AGs exboyfil Mar 2014 #249

What a bizarre OP AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #250

you left out that he's not just rich, he's a DU PONT yurbud Mar 2014 #252

Why let facts get in the way of exploiting a rape case for a talking point? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #264

Our Justice System is such utter shit. Oakenshield Mar 2014 #253

It helps to own a state. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #256

I used to say the rich could eat babies on the White House lawn and not get prosecuted yurbud Mar 2014 #258

I expect to see more "affluenza" defenses in the future Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #262

saw du Pont heir and thought the same WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #268

Amazing article. It seeks so many statements from officials The Second Stone Mar 2014 #270

And others are in prison for possessing some. Great justice system we have here. Vattel Mar 2014 #279

Wait WHUT? Blue Owl Mar 2014 #280

sub "du Pont heir" for "6'4" 250lb" WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #283