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ProSense

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62. The denials will be strong, but
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:24 AM
Mar 2014

the evidence to support the claim is there. Obamacare not only ushered in universal health care, but also is providing the impetus for single payer.

A Brief History: Universal Health Care Efforts in the US
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024755799

From the article posted here. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024757591

Even as the Affordable Care Act is in its nascent stages, some states are already looking toward 2017 when they can request waivers to opt out of the healthcare exchanges. And a small, but persistent, movement has popped up toward a single payer system as an alternative to participating in the exchanges.

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Robin Lunge, Vermont’s director of healthcare reform, said that Vermont’s goal is to move the issue of healthcare completely away from the employer. Vermont’s single payer system, she said, would be similar to the one state employees are already on. It would be financed through an employer and individual tax as well as the premium tax credits and subsidies provided through the exchanges.

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The state’s Medicare, Medicaid and Veteran’s Administration programs would continue to operate as usual under a plan similar to Vermont’s. In Vermont’s potential single payer system, the system would act as a supplement to government insurance and cover everyone who is uninsured or part of the current state health exchanges.


Vermont single payer move has been fully funded by Obamacare.

Lessons from Vermont's Health Care Reform

By Laura K. Grubb, M.D.
The New England Journal of Medicine, April 4, 2013

In May 2011, Vermont Governor Peter Shumlin signed legislation to implement Green Mountain Care (GMC), a single-payer, publicly financed, universal health care system. Vermont's reform law passed 15 months after the historic federal Affordable Care Act (ACA) became law. In passing reforms, Vermont took matters into its own hands and is well ahead of most other states in its efforts to implement federal and state health care reforms by 2014. The Supreme Court decision last June to uphold most of the ACA left many states scrambling, since they had postponed reforms pending the judgment. Although Vermont is a small state, its reform efforts provide valuable lessons for other states in implementing ACA reforms.

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Finally, Vermont policymakers are maximizing federal financing and have projected cost savings. In January 2013, the state released a 156-page financing plan for its single-payer arrangement; the plan outlines federal financing sources and the anticipated generation of savings. Vermont has been awarded more than $250 million in federal funding for its state exchange — the fifth-highest amount among the states, although Vermont has the country's second-smallest state population. “We feel strongly that the exchange is not the answer to all of Vermont's health care problems,” Shumlin remarked, explaining that “the exchange is helpful to Vermont to bring us federal dollars to achieve our single-payer goal.”3 In fact, state exchange development will be 100% federally funded.4

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http://www.pnhp.org/news/2013/april/lessons-from-vermonts-health-care-reform

For everyone who has a problem with ACA--
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024747402

The linked to at the top also mentions the VA and drug pricing.

Obamacare improved the Medicaid drug rebate program, which is one of the best.

Issue Brief - Medicare Drug Negotiation and Rebates

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Best Price. A third argument is that it makes sense for Medicare to receive the best price available for prescription drugs, just like Medicaid and the VA. In Medicaid, the drug manufacturer provides the federal government discounts for drugs, which are shared with the states. The discount is either the minimum drug amount or an amount based on the best price paid by private drug purchasers, whichever is less. Current law requires drug companies to charge Medicaid 23 percent less than the average price they receive for the sale of a drug to retail pharmacies. Drug companies also must provide another discount if a drug’s price rises faster than the rate of inflation (Thomas and Pear, 2013)...Medicaid rebates, if applied to Part D, would save the federal government money. According to a 2011 study conducted by the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Medicaid rebates were three times greater than the discounts negotiated by Part D for 100 brand name drugs. In 68 of these drugs, Medicaid rebates were twice as high as rebates granted by the drug companies for Medicare drugs (OIG HHS, 2011; Hulsey, 2013). Similarly, a 2008 study of drug pricing information by the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform found that Part D paid, on average, 30 percent more for drugs than Medicaid (Hulsey, 2013).

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http://www.ncpssm.org/PublicPolicy/Medicare/Documents/ArticleID/1138/Issue-Brief-Medicare-Drug-Negotiation-and-Rebates


The ACA increased the Medicaid rebate percentage.
http://www.medicaid.gov/AffordableCareAct/Timeline/Timeline.html

Medicaid Drug Rebate Program

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The Medicaid Drug Rebate Program is a partnership between CMS, State Medicaid Agencies, and participating drug manufacturers that helps to offset the Federal and State costs of most outpatient prescription drugs dispensed to Medicaid patients. Approximately 600 drug manufacturers currently participate in this program. All fifty States and the District of Columbia cover prescription drugs under the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program, which is authorized by Section 1927 of the Social Security Act.

The program requires a drug manufacturer to enter into, and have in effect, a national rebate agreement with the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) in exchange for State Medicaid coverage of most of the manufacturer’s drugs. When a manufacturers markets a new drug and electronically lists it with the FDA, they must also submit the drug to the Drug Data Reporting (DDR) system. This ensures that states are aware of the newly marketed drug. In addition, Section II(g) of the Rebate Agreement explains that labelers are responsible for notifying states of a new drug’s coverage. Labelers are required to report all covered outpatient drugs under their labeler code to the Medicaid Drug Rebate Program. They may not be selective in reporting their NDC's to the program. Manufacturers are then responsible for paying a rebate on those drugs each time that they are dispensed to Medicaid patients. These rebates are paid by drug manufacturers on a quarterly basis and are shared between the States and the Federal government to offset the overall cost of prescription drugs under the Medicaid Program.

http://www.medicaid.gov/Medicaid-CHIP-Program-Information/By-Topics/Benefits/Prescription-Drugs/Medicaid-Drug-Rebate-Program.html

The reality is the massive expansion of Medicaid, a single payer system, along with the option for states to replace their exchanges with a single payer system will speed the arrival of single payer in this country.

When Vermont's system is up and running, I expect the dominoes to fall, finally.

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Of course. The point is to trash Obama because we didn't get... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #1
Since some think it's only about presidential elections, it is beyond the best 'we' could do. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #7
The Congressional Republicans Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #2
I thought that gubment cheese program was pretty square Brother Buzz Mar 2014 #3
But that's not a cube! it's a rectangle! Oh, and the gubermint still gives out 'commodities.' freshwest Mar 2014 #8
Shhh, I have it on double super secret background.... Brother Buzz Mar 2014 #11
Well... come to think of that, you may be right. I won't tell! Thanks! n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #14
Obama, the capitulating, compromising, weak, ineffectual, warmonger. joshcryer Mar 2014 #4
Hey, that vote's not gonna depress itself! It's hard work! n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #9
"Bush got us out of Iraq" ucrdem Mar 2014 #13
And don't forget that he CALLED HIMSELF a "Moderate Republican!" That's one of my faves!! Number23 Mar 2014 #17
Ask these two.. not the 11th hour Whiners.. Cha Mar 2014 #5
Yes, it is! n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #6
But it's much more fun/rewarding to weaken him and Democrats further. Hoyt Mar 2014 #10
Obamacare isn't a social program AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #12
Of course it's a social program. Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #19
Social programs do not force people to buy private insurance Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #23
So, Social Security isn't a social program? Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #26
Are you buying Social Security from a private, for-profit company? Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #30
You guys keep changing the definition of what a social program is! Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #33
You are the ones who are changing the meaning of social programs Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #44
Yeah it is. Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #47
So the Medicare prescription drug program and Medicare Advantage would not fit your definition? Hoyt Mar 2014 #53
Some student loans are social programs, others are not Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #56
Wow, an unsecured loan at 4 to 5% is usurious. What's corrupt is the amount schools charge Hoyt Mar 2014 #57
So you're telling me that even though every other civilized country in the world Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #60
I really shouldn't have to tell you our Congress was not going to fund the billions needed to build Hoyt Mar 2014 #66
And yes, 4-5% is usurious for a student loan Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #61
My student loan was 7‰, and I was glad to get it. Was still careful how much I borrowed Hoyt Mar 2014 #68
yep RandoLoodie Mar 2014 #58
No, it isn't AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #24
Uh, yes it is... Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #28
A tax subsidy makes it a social program? progressoid Mar 2014 #73
From your link: ucrdem Mar 2014 #20
Single payer would be a social program AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #27
Your link calls it a social program. nt ucrdem Mar 2014 #29
And the OP calls the whole ACA a social program AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #32
Yes it is. Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #34
Please show us how AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #38
Your link said as much... Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #42
Let me guess, Democracy Now? ucrdem Mar 2014 #37
Is Medicare a social program? Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #31
I signed up for the ACA AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #35
Did you get a subsidy? Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #36
No AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #39
Do you think the subsidy exists? Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #40
The oil industry is subsidized AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #41
That's some crappy logic. Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #43
Yes, very crappy AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #46
Do you consider food stamps a social program? Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #48
Food stamps are a social program AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #49
So, the NFL = Average Americans now? Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #50
Wow AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #52
You made the comparison... Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #71
Wrong. That would be Medicare and Medicaid in 1965 n/t eridani Mar 2014 #15
Which happened how many years ago? Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #18
49 years ago n/t eridani Mar 2014 #21
Right. I rounded to 50. You knew this... Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #25
Given that a major chunk of ACA consists of expanding Medicaid-- eridani Mar 2014 #55
I'm not sure I understand why Democratic programs building on Democratic Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #69
Not to mention the Higher Education Act of 1965 Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #22
No public option. No single payer. No Medicare for all. It's a good start, but not there yet. Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #16
Thank you, rightwing Heritage Foundation, for RepublicanCare. DEMS are rudderless without you??? blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #45
+1 area51 Mar 2014 #51
Buy insurance from a not-for-profit plan, ACA even provides incentives for them. Hoyt Mar 2014 #54
Medicare and Medicaid beat ACA in that time period, clearly without Medicaid Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #59
The denials will be strong, but ProSense Mar 2014 #62
Well, Putin made him do it. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #63
No on both counts demwing Mar 2014 #64
A terrible failure! greatauntoftriplets Mar 2014 #65
If it is a true social program.... NCTraveler Mar 2014 #67
...for big insurance, lol. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #70
lmfao Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #72
Yup. $34,721,122.00 for the CEO of United Health Group. progressoid Mar 2014 #74
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