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Hoyt

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66. I really shouldn't have to tell you our Congress was not going to fund the billions needed to build

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:45 AM

Mar 2014

the infrastructure necessary to handle the Admin of the program when they could farm it out to insurers and let them take the risk for the time being. Surely, you don't really believe this Congress was going to give Obama billions of dollars for that? Go back and look at what happened to us after they defeated Hillarycare, which was a good system.

They hate Obama even more, and probably knew he would be bashed/weakened (even called a POS) by Democrats if things didn't go just as they naively wanted.

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Obamacare is the greatest social program this country has seen in 50 years. [View all] Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 OP

Of course. The point is to trash Obama because we didn't get... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #1

Since some think it's only about presidential elections, it is beyond the best 'we' could do. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #7

The Congressional Republicans Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #2

I thought that gubment cheese program was pretty square Brother Buzz Mar 2014 #3

But that's not a cube! it's a rectangle! Oh, and the gubermint still gives out 'commodities.' freshwest Mar 2014 #8

Shhh, I have it on double super secret background.... Brother Buzz Mar 2014 #11

Well... come to think of that, you may be right. I won't tell! Thanks! n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #14

Obama, the capitulating, compromising, weak, ineffectual, warmonger. joshcryer Mar 2014 #4

Hey, that vote's not gonna depress itself! It's hard work! n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #9

"Bush got us out of Iraq" ucrdem Mar 2014 #13

And don't forget that he CALLED HIMSELF a "Moderate Republican!" That's one of my faves!! Number23 Mar 2014 #17

Ask these two.. not the 11th hour Whiners.. Cha Mar 2014 #5

Yes, it is! n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #6

But it's much more fun/rewarding to weaken him and Democrats further. Hoyt Mar 2014 #10

Obamacare isn't a social program AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #12

Of course it's a social program. Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #19

Social programs do not force people to buy private insurance Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #23

So, Social Security isn't a social program? Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #26

Are you buying Social Security from a private, for-profit company? Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #30

You guys keep changing the definition of what a social program is! Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #33

You are the ones who are changing the meaning of social programs Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #44

Yeah it is. Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #47

So the Medicare prescription drug program and Medicare Advantage would not fit your definition? Hoyt Mar 2014 #53

Some student loans are social programs, others are not Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #56

Wow, an unsecured loan at 4 to 5% is usurious. What's corrupt is the amount schools charge Hoyt Mar 2014 #57

So you're telling me that even though every other civilized country in the world Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #60

I really shouldn't have to tell you our Congress was not going to fund the billions needed to build Hoyt Mar 2014 #66

And yes, 4-5% is usurious for a student loan Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #61

My student loan was 7�, and I was glad to get it. Was still careful how much I borrowed Hoyt Mar 2014 #68

yep RandoLoodie Mar 2014 #58

No, it isn't AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #24

Uh, yes it is... Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #28

A tax subsidy makes it a social program? progressoid Mar 2014 #73

From your link: ucrdem Mar 2014 #20

Single payer would be a social program AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #27

Your link calls it a social program. nt ucrdem Mar 2014 #29

And the OP calls the whole ACA a social program AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #32

Yes it is. Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #34

Please show us how AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #38

Your link said as much... Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #42

Let me guess, Democracy Now? ucrdem Mar 2014 #37

Is Medicare a social program? Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #31

I signed up for the ACA AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #35

Did you get a subsidy? Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #36

No AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #39

Do you think the subsidy exists? Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #40

The oil industry is subsidized AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #41

That's some crappy logic. Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #43

Yes, very crappy AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #46

Do you consider food stamps a social program? Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #48

Food stamps are a social program AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #49

So, the NFL = Average Americans now? Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #50

Wow AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #52

You made the comparison... Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #71

Wrong. That would be Medicare and Medicaid in 1965 n/t eridani Mar 2014 #15

Which happened how many years ago? Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #18

49 years ago n/t eridani Mar 2014 #21

Right. I rounded to 50. You knew this... Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #25

Given that a major chunk of ACA consists of expanding Medicaid-- eridani Mar 2014 #55

I'm not sure I understand why Democratic programs building on Democratic Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #69

Not to mention the Higher Education Act of 1965 Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #22

No public option. No single payer. No Medicare for all. It's a good start, but not there yet. Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #16

Thank you, rightwing Heritage Foundation, for RepublicanCare. DEMS are rudderless without you??? blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #45

+1 area51 Mar 2014 #51

Buy insurance from a not-for-profit plan, ACA even provides incentives for them. Hoyt Mar 2014 #54

Medicare and Medicaid beat ACA in that time period, clearly without Medicaid Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #59

The denials will be strong, but ProSense Mar 2014 #62

Well, Putin made him do it. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #63

No on both counts demwing Mar 2014 #64

A terrible failure! greatauntoftriplets Mar 2014 #65

If it is a true social program.... NCTraveler Mar 2014 #67

...for big insurance, lol. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #70

lmfao Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #72

Yup. $34,721,122.00 for the CEO of United Health Group. progressoid Mar 2014 #74