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In reply to the discussion: I believe there is merit to the argument... [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)21. "I'd support him...if he runs again in '08"
"When I threw my support behind John Kerry in 2004, despite his soul-crushing Iraq War vote, it was on the promise I made to myself that I would climb up his back and tapdance on his head every time I disagreed with him. Sadly for the planet, that opportunity died in shadow in Ohio. I voted for President Obama three times - primary, general, general - on the same promise. I've tried to live up to it as best I can. Sometimes I've done it poorly, sometimes I've done it well, but I cling to consistency as best I can; I treat the man like what he is, a politician who at times makes mistakes, and nothing more."
Too bad he didn't run in 2008.
Two personal experiences with John Kerry, and why I'd support him...if he runs again in '08.
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So this is it for me. Yes, he has made some bad decisions. Yes, there is reason to be pissed at the man. But I think about his willingness to wade into a three-hour confrontation with the editors and writers of the heaviest political publications in the country. I think about how well he stood his ground, made his arguments (and apologies, in regards to the IWR vote). I think about him talking to those kids at that school, about how utterly genuine is his desire to defend the environment and, in the process, defend our economy, the planet and our national security. I think about how goddam smart he is, and how both these instances displayed that intelligence so completely clearly.
I think he would make a magnificent president, and I think it is nothing less than a full-spectrum calamity that he is not president right now. If he ran again, I am not sure I would support him in the primaries, simply because I do not know who else will be running. But if he gets the nomination, he will have 100% of my support and energy. I don't base this decision on what I've read at DU or elsewhere, but on what I have seen from the man with my own two eyes.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x650034
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So this is it for me. Yes, he has made some bad decisions. Yes, there is reason to be pissed at the man. But I think about his willingness to wade into a three-hour confrontation with the editors and writers of the heaviest political publications in the country. I think about how well he stood his ground, made his arguments (and apologies, in regards to the IWR vote). I think about him talking to those kids at that school, about how utterly genuine is his desire to defend the environment and, in the process, defend our economy, the planet and our national security. I think about how goddam smart he is, and how both these instances displayed that intelligence so completely clearly.
I think he would make a magnificent president, and I think it is nothing less than a full-spectrum calamity that he is not president right now. If he ran again, I am not sure I would support him in the primaries, simply because I do not know who else will be running. But if he gets the nomination, he will have 100% of my support and energy. I don't base this decision on what I've read at DU or elsewhere, but on what I have seen from the man with my own two eyes.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x650034
Now, it's RW talking points: "It seems he's against it after being for it before being against it. "
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I fully agree with this post. You said it so much better than I ever could've. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#180
Far more than that. I think that whiners who attack the Democratic Party, thereby helping the GOP
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2014
#275
I do not like being characterized a whiner. I have never called you a name.
Enthusiast
Apr 2014
#280
I don't care what you like or do not. If you attack your own and it helps the enemy,
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2014
#281
I think it makes perfect sense, but you don't like it. Just don't respond when you see my posts
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2014
#292
Are you saying that if they're not perfect, you're going to bash them? Is that it?
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2014
#288
Pointing out that Rahm's badmouthing of the left didn't help get people to the polls...
polichick
Apr 2014
#217
And I'd like to point out that Naderites got us 8 years of Bush. Live with it. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2014
#274
The choice of a strong authoritarian Rahmbo was a mistake. It told Democrats that were
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#229
There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it. Lord Acton
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#8
It's been many years since I've seen the Democratic party interested in non-conservative voters
pragmatic_dem
Mar 2014
#139
No, I think he means he's a 'better democrat' because he shits all over the Pres.
Whisp
Mar 2014
#20
He didnt say he was a "better Democrat", but go ahead and throw gas on the pyre. nm
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#146
Maybe he means he's a better Dem *than he would be if he didn't raise these issues*?
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#196
'We'd have better luck debating the issues if you would stop debating personalities.'
Rex
Apr 2014
#203
I've never seen where egregious name-calling was conducive to encouraging anyone...
Spazito
Mar 2014
#26
Yes, saying "critical thinking isn't their strong point" is a good example of...
Spazito
Mar 2014
#111
Maybe if your other half were experiencing unnecessary hardship because of the greedy insurance
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#198
You have never insulted people, good people, democrats eg, in your entire life?
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#248
Looks to me like he thinks a good Democrat is one that stands up for Democratic
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#150
True, although the vast majority of good Democrats would have cringed at the very thought
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#244
They work for us, not the other way around. If we don't hold them accountable, who will?
Catherina
Mar 2014
#35
Don't you know the rules by now? we're only supposed to hold the rethugs accountable..
2banon
Mar 2014
#87
Yes, they work for us, but strategy is important, and getting Repukes elected by using their same
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#184
Better democrats would be those whose criticism is fact-based, reasoned and accurately targeted.
riqster
Mar 2014
#39
No, apparently the ignorance, profanity and vulgarity was "proof" that he's a better Democrat
Number23
Mar 2014
#115
Almost everybody at DU except for a few disrupters would agree with those goals.
totodeinhere
Apr 2014
#250
When you line up one group as "better", purging is just around the corner. (nt)
jeff47
Apr 2014
#277
I like Obama. He's done some good stuff and yes the pukes fought him on everything.
Autumn
Mar 2014
#97
Thankyou. Protesting policy is not the same as condemning him. None of us would have voted ...
marble falls
Mar 2014
#107
When you have to create your own purity test to proclaim your superiority, you're probably not. eom
tarheelsunc
Mar 2014
#127
Apparently so. I see history and the past 33 years of right wing destruction. You think that's not
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2014
#273
We criticize the President when he promotes RW Third Way policies, and the Third Way
Zorra
Mar 2014
#189
I'm sorry, I don't believe you. If you are *really* against TPP, fracking, Keystone, spying,
Zorra
Apr 2014
#261
Holding politicians responsible is fine; being the loud drunk at the bar is not
theboss
Apr 2014
#249
...and don't forget to tune into tomorrow's episode of "Flight of the Popinjay"
dionysus
Apr 2014
#258