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marions ghost

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132. C'mon...

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 07:00 PM

Mar 2014

"absolutism and uncivil discourse" ? ...

I don't consider "used car salesman" to be uncivil discourse. (I've gotten a good used car from one, after I got a bad used car from one...so 50/50 as far as bad people go). And I don't consider calling the president that to be "harmful to the general welfare" --that's just way too much hyperbole.

So what if Abbie Hoffman was vilified --it didn't stop Nixon, did it? I don't see the comparison to Obama's situation today. What that old reference proves is that you'll never get consensus. Why be a perfectionist demanding that everybody fall into line with your thinking then?

Sorry if you feel insulted by the reference to DLC centrist. (Don't take it personally. It's a message board). There are so many of them around here it's hard to tell who's what. I don't buy that this is a divide between the smart left (you) and the dumb left (those who would dare to heavily criticize the prez). It's more of a classic centrist-left divide.

Like you said, "we're all screwed" (because etc etc)--which I agree with. So why put your fingers in your ears and be insulted by what anybody says about the president? --your over-reaction makes us all look weak, if you want to apply blanket theories.

Let's address the big picture. "We're all screwed..."

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