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Deny and Shred

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156. I too am agnostic

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:48 PM

Mar 2014

Since you mention it though, I don't see how the TPP, extending Bush tax cuts, Penny Pritzker, not pursuing Wall Street malfeasance, expanding the militarization of Homeland Security and local police forces, invoking National Security to shield War Crimes among other things and zealously pursuing those who blow the whistle on any of it can be construed as guiding America away from fascism.

If I may dare to interpret what W Pitt is saying, we not only should applaud when our democratic leaders do the right thing, as citizens we have a duty to 'hold their feet to the fire' when they do the wrong thing. To excuse the wrong because we like those leaders personally and don't want to criticize them is to invite more wrong.

I for one agree with him. The wrongs of our leaders must always be criticized, and those who do so ARE better citizens than those who don't.

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You agree with "pathetic mewling"? Enthusiast Apr 2014 #209

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I agree also! Stellar Apr 2014 #214

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Rahm's one of the worst though nikto Apr 2014 #290

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Right? truebrit71 Mar 2014 #18

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"Holding politicians accountable is a solemn duty." Amen. polichick Mar 2014 #2

"Holding politicians accountable is a solemn duty." Another amen. Scuba Mar 2014 #152

Me too. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #210

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Absolutely spot on... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #4

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"when he deserves it, he gets it. "... SidDithers Mar 2014 #6

Politicians.... or the OP? LanternWaste Mar 2014 #9

Well as the saying goes... ljm2002 Mar 2014 #129

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Thank you. My first vote 840high Mar 2014 #137

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Sorry, you're still not better than me. randome Mar 2014 #13

Irony WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #14

How the hell is that 'irony'? randome Mar 2014 #16

No, I think he means he's a 'better democrat' because he shits all over the Pres. Whisp Mar 2014 #20

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maybe he did... Whisp Mar 2014 #161

It's getting him noticed. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #182

If you have to ask... WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #22

Inscrutable as always, huh? randome Mar 2014 #24

When you say.... Caretha Apr 2014 #228

This is probably not the thread to rehash these points. randome Apr 2014 #230

Thank you for your reply Caretha Apr 2014 #232

Obviously you dont understand irony. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #143

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'We'd have better luck debating the issues if you would stop debating personalities.' Rex Apr 2014 #203

What few realize is Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #17

So THAT'S who that was! riqster Mar 2014 #34

Only saw him once. Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #57

The assertion itself is pretty interesting Aerows Mar 2014 #67

ROFL, Will, critical thinking is not their strong point Glitterati Mar 2014 #105

LOL 1000words Mar 2014 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Mar 2014 #41

Very, VERY well said Number23 Mar 2014 #113

unRec. Whisp Mar 2014 #19

"I'd support him...if he runs again in '08" ProSense Mar 2014 #21

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #23

That opening sentence is not a question. JVS Mar 2014 #25

I've never seen where egregious name-calling was conducive to encouraging anyone... Spazito Mar 2014 #26

You are 100% correct. Glitterati Mar 2014 #106

Yes, saying "critical thinking isn't their strong point" is a good example of... Spazito Mar 2014 #111

No moreso than screaming "ODS" and "hater" Glitterati Mar 2014 #114

I gather, then, your first response to me was not a genuine one... Spazito Mar 2014 #118

It was actually sarcasm Glitterati Mar 2014 #123

One might study up on sarcasm, how to use it effectively... Spazito Mar 2014 #126

LOL, whatever Glitterati Mar 2014 #128

Name calling abakan Apr 2014 #272

If "raising hell" makes someone a "better Democrat", JaneyVee Mar 2014 #27

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #28

"Piece of shit used-car salesman" is unjustified name calling. ProSense Mar 2014 #29

Maybe if your other half were experiencing unnecessary hardship because of the greedy insurance nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #198

Calling a democratic president a piece of shit on a sufrommich Mar 2014 #30

+10000 rudolph the red Mar 2014 #45

A reason? fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #151

+1000 nt freebrew Apr 2014 #240

Exactly! Well Said! n/t sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #245

Thanks for posting this nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #183

"That makes me a very, very good Democrat." MineralMan Mar 2014 #31

So the fact that he voted for the man three times has no bearing... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #36

That is my opinion, yes. MineralMan Mar 2014 #38

You have never insulted people, good people, democrats eg, in your entire life? sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #248

I have never referred to a two-term Democratic President MineralMan Apr 2014 #257

Honestly ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #66

So wait...now we're doubting how he voted?? truebrit71 Mar 2014 #110

And you base your soul staking on what ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #121

...if for no other reason than I've read most of his posts... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #125

I have called him none of that. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #133

I didn't say that YOU said it. n/t truebrit71 Mar 2014 #142

Oh ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #171

I was responding in general... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #172

At any rate ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #174

They've actually called Will worse. marble falls Apr 2014 #224

Like what ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #255

Sorry, all that was just plain wrong. marble falls Apr 2014 #282

Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #283

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Were the accusations calling ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #268

No...it's not an open question at all... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #269

The question ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #270

Looks to me like he thinks a good Democrat is one that stands up for Democratic rhett o rick Mar 2014 #150

Will is a very, very good Democrat. We need more very good Democrats. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #206

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True, although the vast majority of good Democrats would have cringed at the very thought sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #244

+1 truebrit71 Apr 2014 #235

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I too am agnostic Deny and Shred Mar 2014 #156

That has to be... Oilwellian Mar 2014 #160

LOL n/t Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #164

Self-awareness really isn't a strength chez Will, is it? BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #33

They work for us, not the other way around. If we don't hold them accountable, who will? Catherina Mar 2014 #35

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As long as this is Democratic "Underground", I'll have my say lol Catherina Mar 2014 #91

:) 2banon Mar 2014 #96

that one is a fail treestar Mar 2014 #149

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I couldn't agree with you more. Hang in there with us. williesgirl Mar 2014 #37

Better democrats would be those whose criticism is fact-based, reasoned and accurately targeted. riqster Mar 2014 #39

+1 darkangel218 Mar 2014 #43

+1 jeff47 Mar 2014 #71

+1 Hekate Mar 2014 #75

I do not think Will will admit that he was factually incorrect. nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #82

No, apparently the ignorance, profanity and vulgarity was "proof" that he's a better Democrat Number23 Mar 2014 #115

"Proof" is a good word to use. nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #119

Some people on this forum cannot admit to any fault I've noticed. Rex Mar 2014 #138

Agreed. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #185

If this is your way of apologizing for calling the President MicaelS Mar 2014 #40

That was not his intent ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #70

:) Yup! As always. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #186

What Iraq War Vote DallasNE Mar 2014 #42

BS. bvar22 Mar 2014 #168

Here Is The Exact Language Of The Resolution DallasNE Apr 2014 #197

who was left to decider-in-chief what relevant meant? bobduca Apr 2014 #236

And-- yellowwoodII Apr 2014 #225

K&R Bjorn Against Mar 2014 #44

Attributed to many different people: sulphurdunn Mar 2014 #46

DURec! bvar22 Mar 2014 #47

I gave Will's post a recommend... catnhatnh Mar 2014 #55

You just did... bvar22 Mar 2014 #62

+1 woo me with science Mar 2014 #100

+10000 n/t 2banon Mar 2014 #76

+1 n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #92

+10000 woo me with science Mar 2014 #93

+1000 Champion Jack Mar 2014 #102

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #130

...^ that 840high Mar 2014 #141

Right there with you, bvar. Zorra Mar 2014 #167

Here: ProSense Mar 2014 #188

+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Apr 2014 #211

"'Rec'-within-a-'rec'" for this post alone. bullwinkle428 Apr 2014 #222

Almost everybody at DU except for a few disrupters would agree with those goals. totodeinhere Apr 2014 #250

Unrec. JTFrog Mar 2014 #48

I agree. darkangel218 Mar 2014 #53

Well then. That's that. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #49

+1 n/t JTFrog Mar 2014 #60

+100000000 one_voice Mar 2014 #68

Good post. Thank you for your level-headedness and perspective. nt wiggs Mar 2014 #117

I don't believe it's personal LordGlenconner Apr 2014 #246

Good post. bigwillq Mar 2014 #50

Whatever. Richardo Mar 2014 #51

He does not deserve what you give him. Whisp Mar 2014 #52

Same doubling down and pretending it's noble ProSense Mar 2014 #54

You were out of line but this post is spot on tularetom Mar 2014 #56

+10000000000000000 nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #199

I get your general point, but please, for the love of god Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #58

The car has started down that road. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #64

The irony of course is *ANY* DUer Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #83

A very good point. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #103

Waaaay to late for that. jeff47 Mar 2014 #72

Am I supposed to be trying to be the Best Democrat?? DeadLetterOffice Mar 2014 #145

Thank you for posting. Broward Mar 2014 #59

how are hate filled name calling hopemountain Mar 2014 #61

Fail. yowzayowzayowza Mar 2014 #63

Simple and truth. eom. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #69

Sometimes, you have to set fires in your own camp Generic Other Mar 2014 #65

And sometimes, that incinerates your home. jeff47 Mar 2014 #84

This OP is a call to purge? Seriously, dude. Vattel Mar 2014 #163

When you line up one group as "better", purging is just around the corner. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2014 #277

Keep lighting those matches in the dark. bvar22 Mar 2014 #89

Sometimes a gem sparkles in the mud... fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #99

Well said. zeemike Mar 2014 #166

well said, Generic Other grasswire Apr 2014 #202

Skinner has your measure: msanthrope Mar 2014 #73

+1 n/t tammywammy Mar 2014 #95

That is how I see it too. zeemike Mar 2014 #74

As of now, this thread has 75 replies and 75 Recs. /just sayin. nt Electric Monk Mar 2014 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author Raine1967 Mar 2014 #78

K&R Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #79

Some are just people followers. bvar22 Mar 2014 #131

Hey Will, did you know that in Parallel Universe DU Land.. radiclib Mar 2014 #80

I generally agree with this alarimer Mar 2014 #81

Steeping in the rancid tea of self-satisfied opinions. Ptah Mar 2014 #85

There is a lot to be said about waking in samplegirl Mar 2014 #86

Fine, then come on over Doctor_J Apr 2014 #216

I Have No Problem mrchips Mar 2014 #88

Welcome to DU, mrchips! calimary Apr 2014 #190

Well Said mrchips Apr 2014 #191

Caliing someone a POS is not usualy considered Progressive dog Mar 2014 #90

Huge K&R. woo me with science Mar 2014 #94

I like Obama. He's done some good stuff and yes the pukes fought him on everything. Autumn Mar 2014 #97

That's my thinking too marions ghost Mar 2014 #147

"Politics is not a team sport." What an insipid thought to articulate. idendoit Mar 2014 #98

A lot of I and Me and Ego in this OP. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #101

This needed to be said, Will. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #104

Absolutely Agree....and so does Teddy Roosevelt. bvar22 Mar 2014 #132

+1 840high Mar 2014 #144

+100000 woo me with science Mar 2014 #158

+100000000 Perfectly said. woo me with science Mar 2014 #157

Thankyou. Protesting policy is not the same as condemning him. None of us would have voted ... marble falls Mar 2014 #107

Will with all due respect, I don't think criticizing actions or lack thereof DebJ Mar 2014 #108

Another Will Pitt thread talking about Will Pitt Aldo Leopold Mar 2014 #109

More snark 1000words Mar 2014 #112

Hiding and ignoring threads is Will's style Aldo Leopold Mar 2014 #116

MoJo! KoKo Mar 2014 #120

Is their a pat myself on the back smilie Boom Sound 416 Mar 2014 #122

I feel like I'm watching "Memento". nt gulliver Mar 2014 #124

Nailed it Boom Sound 416 Mar 2014 #134

When you have to create your own purity test to proclaim your superiority, you're probably not. eom tarheelsunc Mar 2014 #127

+1 treestar Mar 2014 #148

Pitt's quote..."I try to make him better". sheshe2 Apr 2014 #193

all those types of quotes make me realize treestar Apr 2014 #215

Grandiosity, judgmentalism, intolerance, impulsivity, msanthrope Apr 2014 #223

Like Professor Zoom trying to make Flash a better hero... randome Apr 2014 #226

Thread Winner and Slayer all in one. Number23 Mar 2014 #162

K&R nt TBF Mar 2014 #135

My sentiments exactly. k/r 840high Mar 2014 #136

The First Rule of Holes: ColesCountyDem Mar 2014 #140

Agreed. llmart Mar 2014 #155

+1 n/t ColesCountyDem Mar 2014 #165

Yes indeed the way you said it, Will. lumpy Mar 2014 #175

THANK YOU Skittles Mar 2014 #153

There is still that old 80s song rumdude Mar 2014 #154

"Sex Dwarf?" 1000words Mar 2014 #159

God I haven't heard that song for so long rudolph the red Apr 2014 #201

You're "part of the reason" for yourself n/t UTUSN Mar 2014 #173

Criticism is very healthy. ozone_man Mar 2014 #176

Wrong. Intelligence and strategy are far more important. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #187

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Apr 2014 #194

We see things differently. ozone_man Apr 2014 #243

Apparently so. I see history and the past 33 years of right wing destruction. You think that's not Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #273

We criticize the President when he promotes RW Third Way policies, and the Third Way Zorra Mar 2014 #189

You keep confusing 'criticize' with 'insult'. randome Apr 2014 #219

For the umpteenth time.... Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #251

I'm sorry, I don't believe you. If you are *really* against TPP, fracking, Keystone, spying, Zorra Apr 2014 #261

OMG Caretha Apr 2014 #286

I just have to quote an earlier post that hit the bullseye quinnox Apr 2014 #192

I have no problem with criticizing the president rudolph the red Apr 2014 #200

The rules should totally be tightened. JoeyT Apr 2014 #205

Being a good basher doest make you a good Democrat. DCBob Apr 2014 #207

WilliamPitt, you are an excellent Democrat and an even better American. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #208

Other Democrats meanit Apr 2014 #212

Kucinich was routinely called "loony tunes" and "batshit crazy" etc. G_j Apr 2014 #227

agendas, that dont directly include issues that Democratic voters support reddread Apr 2014 #234

If hypocrisy was sold by the gram they'd be f*cking millionaires... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #237

All the old Clinton smears got a thorough recycling here during the 2008 primary, QC Apr 2014 #238

Rec, for a change Doctor_J Apr 2014 #220

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+1000 darkangel218 Apr 2014 #241

Here's what a "better Democrat knows": ProSense Apr 2014 #239

Bernie Sanders? You mean that piece of... randome Apr 2014 #242

Yeah here is some more Doctor_J Apr 2014 #247

More ProSense Apr 2014 #254

Holding politicians responsible is fine; being the loud drunk at the bar is not theboss Apr 2014 #249

Whoop there it is. n/t JTFrog Apr 2014 #252

I agree! In fact, Obama asked us to hold him accountable! emsimon33 Apr 2014 #253

And no one is disputing that. No one. randome Apr 2014 #256

oops. Doctor_J Apr 2014 #263

So you found one. I stand corrected. randome Apr 2014 #265

Randome Caretha Apr 2014 #287

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I think someone's auditioning for this guy......... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #259

! dionysus Apr 2014 #262

Kick!n/t Dalai_1 Apr 2014 #260

k&r Blue_Roses Apr 2014 #266

apologize to this community for calling Barack Obama a "piece of shit" stg81 Apr 2014 #271

You've inspired some copycats. Rex Apr 2014 #279

I hear Chris Christie is innocent too.. DevonRex Apr 2014 #285