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Reply to CreekDog (Reply #45)

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:56 PM

Mar 2014

I'd like a few more details here.

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Michigan High School Forced To Tear Down Boys' Baseball Bleachers Due To Inequality With Girls' [View all] alp227 Mar 2014 OP

Well it is pretty fucking dumb BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #1

And another piece of my soul just died. Throd Mar 2014 #2

What the fuck JJChambers Mar 2014 #3

The Huffington article I linked has the inside story. alp227 Mar 2014 #4

Too fucking Lame FreakinDJ Mar 2014 #79

Better yet Shankapotomus Apr 2014 #141

This sounds like an extreme interpretation of Title Nine. Elwood P Dowd Mar 2014 #5

At my college the soccer teams play on the football field. alp227 Mar 2014 #6

Almost all larger colleges have seperate football and soccer stadiums. Elwood P Dowd Mar 2014 #14

Artificial turf makes this possible wercal Mar 2014 #26

Almost all of them. There might TransitJohn Mar 2014 #64

Some football stadiums can't accommodate a soccer pitch goldent Mar 2014 #70

I wonder if colleges are where this sort of strict interpretation is really aimed, and applying petronius Mar 2014 #10

Are baseball and softball fields different dimensions? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #7

yes, softball fields are smaller. alp227 Mar 2014 #9

Oh well, so much for the 'alternate' idea. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #13

I wondered the same thing dsc Mar 2014 #27

This was the top feature on Glenn Beck's website. Of course...no one has actually seen this "order. msanthrope Mar 2014 #8

I live and work in the area (sort of) etherealtruth Mar 2014 #61

Well, then maybe you also noticed as I did...... llmart Mar 2014 #72

Isn't it that weird giant school complex .... etherealtruth Mar 2014 #73

sometimes things are done with a carrot and a stick--ignore the carrot... you get the stick dembotoz Mar 2014 #11

Equal Facilities bpj62 Mar 2014 #12

But in this case the funds were raised by the parents hack89 Mar 2014 #15

This! (NT) Elwood P Dowd Mar 2014 #16

THe proper response was to tell the parents there can't be unequal facilities. kcr Mar 2014 #21

The school didn't have the money for either hack89 Mar 2014 #22

The proper response to inadequate funding is to address inadequate funding kcr Mar 2014 #24

Ok. Nt hack89 Mar 2014 #25

maybe because the school decided to spend the money on things like teachers dsc Mar 2014 #28

That's fine kcr Mar 2014 #30

I agree with that dsc Apr 2014 #145

Well I have to say that I don't want to fund either baseball or softball bleachers wercal Mar 2014 #32

So, you think as long as parents fund it kcr Mar 2014 #34

You completely missed the point of my post wercal Mar 2014 #36

No, they can't kcr Mar 2014 #37

Well we disagree wercal Mar 2014 #39

It doesn't matter whether you consider it a part of the facility. The law does. kcr Mar 2014 #41

Then it is a poorly written law. Throd Mar 2014 #47

How so? kcr Mar 2014 #48

They aren't getting inferior facilities. Throd Mar 2014 #49

Schools cannot have unequal facilities per title 9 kcr Mar 2014 #51

The net result of your moral victory is that people will stop donating. Hooray. Throd Mar 2014 #53

Yes! Hooray! kcr Mar 2014 #55

You are ignoring the reality on the ground. Throd Mar 2014 #59

I'm not ignoring anything kcr Mar 2014 #96

You are contending points I never brought up. I guess it is easier that way. Throd Apr 2014 #114

You didn't bring up the concern that people would stop donating? kcr Apr 2014 #116

I did bring up such a concern. Throd Apr 2014 #124

I think that would be a good thing, honestly. kcr Apr 2014 #127

Based on your logic kwolf68 May 2015 #152

So how do you divide it up and still get the parents to donate? clffrdjk Mar 2014 #40

What good comes from scrapping title 9? n/t kcr Mar 2014 #43

Who said anything about scrapping it? clffrdjk Mar 2014 #44

You are allowed as long as you do it equally kcr Mar 2014 #46

Stop trying to put words in my mouth. clffrdjk Mar 2014 #50

I'm not putting words in your mouth. kcr Mar 2014 #52

Yes the difference is when you try and twist what I say rather than try and argue a point. clffrdjk Mar 2014 #62

I'm not twisting your words. kcr Mar 2014 #97

The twist clffrdjk Mar 2014 #103

Why does the law suddenly become irrelevant just because they're donating money? kcr Mar 2014 #106

So here you are saying no means yes clffrdjk Mar 2014 #109

If the team is private, then fine. kcr Apr 2014 #111

I grow tired of you trying to speak for me. clffrdjk Apr 2014 #117

Has no one ever disagreed with you before? kcr Apr 2014 #119

No it happens all the time, I just don't care for it when people misstate my opinion clffrdjk Apr 2014 #121

Except I don't think I did kcr Apr 2014 #122

One favorite tactic of fundraising is matching gifts. pnwmom Apr 2014 #132

They want to use the money the baseball parents raised to build softball bleachers TransitJohn Mar 2014 #66

Yes, maybe the parents should have done more. pennylane100 Mar 2014 #29

I think you might have meant to reply to someone else because I agree with you 100% kcr Mar 2014 #33

Sorry, pennylane100 Mar 2014 #108

Are the games equal? Renew Deal Mar 2014 #82

Really? kcr Mar 2014 #98

What would the proper response be if a group of parents wanted to buy pnwmom Mar 2014 #90

No hack89 Apr 2014 #129

New desks and chairs can hardly be considered a core school need. pnwmom Apr 2014 #131

In my state it is against the law hack89 Apr 2014 #136

I think it's outrageous that some kids can't participate in a school team pnwmom Apr 2014 #137

ok nt hack89 Apr 2014 #142

Whenever I see a story like this... Xithras Mar 2014 #17

You aren't the only one. tenderfoot Mar 2014 #54

Right wing nuttery is heavy in that area etherealtruth Mar 2014 #67

if you are going to have some vestige of equality between boys and girls sports at some point dembotoz Mar 2014 #18

It's about good parenting .. GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #19

Why can't the proper solution be to Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #20

Just one more example of how something so well-intentioned....... WillowTree Mar 2014 #23

Wonder how Title IX will work after the men's football and basketball teams unionize? FarCenter Mar 2014 #31

That's a very good question. Dr. Strange Mar 2014 #74

now thats Niceguy1 Mar 2014 #35

The author of the Huffpo piece makes an interesting point. BlueCheese Mar 2014 #38

This is what I wondered goldent Mar 2014 #71

That's dumb (nt) bigwillq Mar 2014 #42

does anyone smell BS? i do CreekDog Mar 2014 #45

Yep. Nine Mar 2014 #77

So, now the girls have softball bleachers, but the boys have no baseball bleachers. sl8 Mar 2014 #56

Exactly. Now boys have less than girls. LisaL Mar 2014 #60

finally, they will have to salt the ball fields, so no one can play! dionysus Apr 2014 #126

Can they just beat the bleachers up a bit to make them less comfortable Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #57

Oh yeah...this is going to teach the baseball boys to respect girls. davidn3600 Mar 2014 #58

If all it takes is the tearing down of some bleachers to make them disrespect women... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #63

At the high school our sons attended... 3catwoman3 Mar 2014 #65

Some laws are stupid. n-t Logical Mar 2014 #68

Wow. I thought democrats were suppose to champion minority groups, not demonize them. liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #80

That's what you got from that post? Throd Mar 2014 #83

Laws are there because the minority need them to be there. My husband has had to utilize liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #101

I am not demonizing anyone, and I certainly have no... 3catwoman3 Mar 2014 #107

I thought Title 9 applied to federal funding, not funding by parents. muntrv Mar 2014 #69

If the school accepts federal funding, it can't discriminate. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #115

Destroying things in the name of "equality" seems somehow misguided. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #75

I don't think they were permanently destroyed. Just taken apart and stored somewhere. pnwmom Mar 2014 #92

the school allowed a private group to raise funds on behalf of the school dlwickham Mar 2014 #76

and why weren't the lacrosse, bowling, and rifle range improved? Renew Deal Mar 2014 #84

your outrage is duly noted dlwickham Apr 2014 #150

Why? Miigwech Mar 2014 #78

Baseball and softball are not equal Renew Deal Mar 2014 #81

It sounds like parents watching either sport couldn't see very well. pnwmom Mar 2014 #85

That's the way I read it as well. Renew Deal Mar 2014 #86

The rule isn't that they have to be identical gollygee Apr 2014 #139

From what I understand, they haven't destroyed the bleachers, right? pnwmom Mar 2014 #87

Exactly 1000words Mar 2014 #88

And nothing is stopping baseball boosters from helping to raise that money, too. pnwmom Mar 2014 #91

Let's take it even further kcr Mar 2014 #105

And what harm did the bleachers cause? clffrdjk Apr 2014 #110

It broke the law. An important law. kcr Apr 2014 #112

So even you see your comparison is bullshit. clffrdjk Apr 2014 #118

Um. No. kcr Apr 2014 #120

Then why avoid the question? clffrdjk Apr 2014 #123

Here's a radical idea BainsBane Mar 2014 #89

See post #9 kentauros Mar 2014 #94

Someone said they couldn't because the regulation fields are different sizes. nt pnwmom Mar 2014 #95

A simple, no-cost solution. pnwmom Mar 2014 #93

Participation awards and trophies for everyone will be expensive 1000words Mar 2014 #99

Who needs 'em? pnwmom Mar 2014 #100

Why would any non-moron believe what they read ... JEFF9K Mar 2014 #102

It's about damn time. cheapdate Mar 2014 #104

+1 A Little Weird Apr 2014 #143

Abolish the girls softball team and field a girls baseball team instead. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #113

Abolish the boys' baseball team, pnwmom Apr 2014 #133

So many people missing the point: this is discrimination based on sex. Nevernose Apr 2014 #125

At worst, it's discrimination based on the sport. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #147

Title IX gets complicated Nevernose Apr 2014 #148

Logically, sports that require different playing fields aren't equivalent. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #149

Title IX is a good law that is not always interpreted the right way bluestateguy Apr 2014 #128

When combined with the "zero tolerance" attitude of some administrators ... JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2014 #134

I believe strongly in high school athletics Recursion Apr 2014 #130

I think thats a misinterpretation of the law. DCBob Apr 2014 #135

Is this what the future is in the United States? I think B Calm Apr 2014 #138

So I'm looking at the official government site for the Office of Civil Rights... Nine Apr 2014 #140

why do they have boosters for specific teams? Scout Apr 2014 #144

why can't the school have a rule that funds raised by parents be split 50-50 for both CTyankee Apr 2014 #146

I suspect that this is an ADA issue, not Title IX missingthebigdog Apr 2014 #151