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joeglow3

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420. I know I am pissing in the wind, but I will try ONE time

Tue Apr 1, 2014, 01:31 PM

Apr 2014

You are portraying EXACTLY the point I was trying make. You intentionally obfuscate the point made. Why? I don't know. Maybe you want to "call someone out." Maybe you need to do it to feel confidence in your view. Whatever it is, I will make one clear attempt to clarify my point.

NO ONE has a right to be stolen from. I will tell my kids that there is a chance someone will break into their car at a mall, at a sporting event, at an amusement park, at a military base or even at home. It is completely wrong for anyone to steal their car under any circumstances. However, I will also point out that car theft is much higher in one of the local bar districts than most other areas. The ONLY way to 100% prevent your car from being stolen is to not own a car. That is not a feasible solution, so I will tell them to be vigilent in locking their car, recognizing that in some areas, they may want to take a lap or two more to find a parking spot in a more visible location.

I will teach my daughter that no one has a right force themself on her. I will teach my sons they have zero right to touch a woman without her informed consent. I will tell my daughter that a rape can happen everywhere and is never the fault of the victim. However, I will also educate her on situations where the risk is greater (i.e. getting drunk and being alone in a frat, while at college). Informing her of the statistics is NOT rape culture. It is education on FACTS and STATISTICS. Communicating there facts is NOT excusing bad behavior or blaming the victim.

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In 1987, a radical feminist called all sexual contact "degrading to women" and "rape." [View all] Archae Mar 2014 OP

that's not how it works . it's people who say "of course what he did was wrong, but why did she JI7 Mar 2014 #1

The point is "rape culture" is just the latest excuse. Archae Mar 2014 #5

You need to stop typing and start reading because you're making a fool of yourself. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #8

^this^ Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #69

Yup. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #89

Thank you LeftyMom! thucythucy Mar 2014 #112

Once again LeftyMom, MuseRider Mar 2014 #124

So being raped makes one a final authority on something as subjective as the idea of rape culture? phil89 Mar 2014 #159

another one.... really???? wtf is going on. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #161

this was a piece of shit thing to say, and jury allowed to stand 3-3. i think it should have had a seabeyond Mar 2014 #169

That tells you a lot about how far DU has descended. Jamastiene Mar 2014 #340

yes. i agree. then we roll the dice saying something in the thread. i prefer to take my chances. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #343

Some days I wonder if it is worth it. Jamastiene Mar 2014 #346

i know. yes yes yes. and with that jamastiene, i think a glass of wine is in order.... seabeyond Mar 2014 #347

Tell me about it. Jamastiene Mar 2014 #349

Yeah, it pretty much does. Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #192

It means I've thought about rape and why it happens more than you. Because I had to. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #228

Sounds more like you are telling women who have been raped to STFU. n/t Jamastiene Mar 2014 #354

OHHHH phil..OH BOY, STOP while you're ahead....Man, this is NOT what you need to be Ecumenist Apr 2014 #429

that is good. i have not heard that since i was a kid and figured it out seabeyond Apr 2014 #432

Thank you. n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #280

+1 cui bono Mar 2014 #321

Thank you + a billion REP Mar 2014 #325

+100000000000 Jamastiene Mar 2014 #352

Yep, exactly right LM! bettyellen Mar 2014 #365

The problem is when you call shit rape culture that isn't. joeglow3 Apr 2014 #415

you tell your daughter to cover up, dont go out after dark, do not drink, do not go to a mans seabeyond Apr 2014 #417

You need to take a statistics class joeglow3 Apr 2014 #418

majority of rapes for girls are college campus and military. 87% of rapes are date rapes seabeyond Apr 2014 #419

I know I am pissing in the wind, but I will try ONE time joeglow3 Apr 2014 #420

Statistically the people who are most dangerous to your daughter are family members and boyfriends. LeftyMom Apr 2014 #421

I agree with what you said joeglow3 Apr 2014 #422

Wrong. That is not what it is at all BainsBane Mar 2014 #12

Archae is just trying to gin up replies Scootaloo Mar 2014 #17

He certainly made an impression BainsBane Mar 2014 #18

Most people do, when they run headfirst into walls Scootaloo Mar 2014 #19

... Cleita Mar 2014 #22

Says the person who called a rape victim a liar and hounded her off this website. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #59

Why do I get the feeling that what you just said is 100% B.S.? nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #311

i do not know. but you would be wrong. and ya, jury hid some, allowed some. seabeyond Mar 2014 #312

It happened. She got a DU vacation for it. nt sufrommich Mar 2014 #317

Not to mention, said that women who are harassed are sick and let it happen. KitSileya Apr 2014 #411

Thank you for that link. passiveporcupine Apr 2014 #406

Have you heard creeksneakers2 Mar 2014 #53

I may be misremembering but, didn't his wife speak out in defense of him? Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #74

Rape culture is not an excuse. I think you are misunderstanding the concept. Maedhros Mar 2014 #2

Oh, that is a relief! KitSileya Mar 2014 #3

I do not think you understand what "rape culture" is. uppityperson Mar 2014 #4

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There's a broad acceptance of raping someone incapacitated by drugs or booze Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #108

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And with all the precautions in the world, the first question will still be Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #115

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Well, murder isn't a case of "he said, she said" because one of the parties is dead. Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #264

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They're both violent crimes. Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #283

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OMG... he has hit every point. NOW... WOMEN, prevent your rape, cause men agree that is our best seabeyond Mar 2014 #116

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ya. you did "even say that" then go on to reinforce it in this post seabeyond Mar 2014 #123

What do you mean "do whatever you can to avoid becoming one of the victims"? uppityperson Mar 2014 #183

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Tell that to the 80 yr old who got raped in her bedroom. Tell that to the 12 yr old who got uppityperson Mar 2014 #243

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TEll the 3-yr old victim whose250 lb daddy's safety is more important than hers Tsiyu Mar 2014 #277

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It's really amazing how many low count posters Tsiyu Mar 2014 #281

yup. like a duh.... nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #286

That must have been quite the planning session! Tsiyu Mar 2014 #289

What should this three year old girl have done? Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #266

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If the guy is set free - as many rapists are - he will rape again Tsiyu Mar 2014 #284

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I just have a question Tsiyu Mar 2014 #291

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to "prevent" our rape, are we allowed to cross the street, or does that hurt the mans feelers. seabeyond Mar 2014 #120

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you are a trip. and a oldtimer. you know the arguments, with little info. how does she know he is seabeyond Mar 2014 #151

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no MOST women would nto go to bed and forget it. you, as a man, do not get to be the voice for most seabeyond Mar 2014 #158

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your dismissal is noted. you participate in the mra agenda of dismissal, and i really do not seabeyond Mar 2014 #171

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Glad to see that poster removed gollygee Mar 2014 #323

He probably lasted a lot longer sufrommich Mar 2014 #324

a child that is mentally more mature than a 40 something yr old man. he cant think when the dick seabeyond Mar 2014 #114

If that is true, why is it illegal? n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #129

Because it should be illegal. n/t Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #133

didnt the MRA recently get pissed cause FBI extended definition of rape to actual rapes of men seabeyond Mar 2014 #136

Of course it should. Which instantly and completely discredits the "broad acceptance" argument. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #165

No, it doesn't. uppityperson Mar 2014 #188

speeding would be clearer passiveporcupine Apr 2014 #407

Nope, because the law isn't clear enough to offer full protection. n/t Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #261

i see the leader has arrived CreekDog Mar 2014 #368

Remember that poster that once admitted to date raping a woman on DU? Jamastiene Mar 2014 #348

Why was the man who raped me never prosecuted and instead I was looked at with rolling eyes? uppityperson Mar 2014 #182

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Thank you for proving the point that there is rape culture. Exhibit A, right here. uppityperson Mar 2014 #207

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Why should it make it harder to establish what happened? Most rapes it is the case of 1 person's uppityperson Mar 2014 #227

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And that is a good example of rape culture. uppityperson Mar 2014 #251

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Yes. You are being completely unreasonable. Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #288

Barely gollygee Mar 2014 #232

The person who raped me almost certainly doesn't think of himself as a rapist. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #6

Have you sought help in dealing with the hurt of being raped? RC Mar 2014 #141

That's an odd and personal question. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #142

the point this poster is making is you speak out angrily cause you have not had professional seabeyond Mar 2014 #148

Yeah, that was my read. I'm uppity because I'm mad at my rapist. I need therapy so I'll shut up. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #152

exactly. and i get it. that is how most women process it. to have a man pat our head... seabeyond Mar 2014 #163

A genuine concern for my well-being would have been by PM. Publically telling me I need therapy was LeftyMom Mar 2014 #174

he often, i mean consistently uses his Xgf and her need of therapy as a weapon against feminist here seabeyond Mar 2014 #185

It was a blatant attempt to cause you pain. Thank god he's been PPR'd. Squinch Mar 2014 #395

I'm just glad he's not going to do it to anybody else here. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #396

I know you can handle it, but it was disturbing to see him slathering around your posts. Squinch Mar 2014 #397

It was gross. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #398

He should have been booted a long time ago. He was putting out that Squinch Mar 2014 #399

Actually not. RC Mar 2014 #155

Golly gee, I never knew there was help available. THANKS so much for telling us that! I'd never have uppityperson Mar 2014 #195

They you should know how many do not know there is help out there. RC Mar 2014 #202

And your response to someone pointing out what rape culture is is to ask her if she knew there uppityperson Mar 2014 #211

What is wrong with seeking help for something that you are having a problem with? RC Mar 2014 #226

You miss the point. What is wrong is responding to an example of rape culture by asking them uppityperson Mar 2014 #234

Have you sought professional help for your patronizing attitude? cui bono Mar 2014 #327

My patronizing attitude? RC Mar 2014 #329

As a curious bystander ... GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #366

Why? Because we are social animals and do best when we help each other? RC Mar 2014 #367

Not a lot of help is out there GP6971 Mar 2014 #338

On the flip side, there would be more services available if there wasn't such a negative connotation RC Mar 2014 #339

Can't disagree with the stigma attached GP6971 Mar 2014 #341

You said: passiveporcupine Apr 2014 #408

wowser. gotta do another... wowser seabeyond Mar 2014 #144

Un-fucking-believable. nt. Rex Mar 2014 #170

me, yes, that. lol. seabeyond Mar 2014 #175

Me too. Just logged on and already I am getting ill looking at these replies. Rex Mar 2014 #177

What an asinine post. nt sufrommich Mar 2014 #149

How so? RC Mar 2014 #156

She made a statement that her rapist probably sufrommich Mar 2014 #162

I gave it anyway. RC Mar 2014 #187

I'm not in distress. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #191

Yeah,that's what you're doing "being an sufrommich Mar 2014 #193

Yep, Like responding to a cry for help. RC Mar 2014 #199

You're not helping and my post wasn't a "cry for help." Knock it off. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #201

you are one of the most strongest, boldest, vocal, ... sure ass woman on this board and rc seabeyond Mar 2014 #205

You are not the only one on this thread. RC Mar 2014 #217

You specifically asked ME if I had sought help for MY experience. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #221

So you admit passiveporcupine Apr 2014 #409

I'm ignoring him. PassingFair Mar 2014 #235

pretty much Kali Mar 2014 #394

Poof! PassingFair Apr 2014 #424

There was no "cry for help". Seriously, sufrommich Mar 2014 #203

because he is really working overtime to create her as pathetic, to discredit... as lefty says... seabeyond Mar 2014 #206

So, please point out precisely what in this statement suggested she was in distress? Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #292

"damaged goods." yes. that. and that has even been used and justified by too many. seabeyond Mar 2014 #304

Stuffing hurts? Rex Mar 2014 #168

They would rather play the victim card, than get help. RC Mar 2014 #190

ah, and here it is. lefty is playing the victim card with her rape. i knew there was a way you seabeyond Mar 2014 #194

To most here, my response would be, "You're kidding, correct"? RC Mar 2014 #381

no. you are not blaming the victim. you are pissed cause you accuse her of USING the victim card seabeyond Mar 2014 #382

And here we go again. JTFrog Mar 2014 #385

This is incredibly offensive. Stop talking about me in the third person. Stop Fristing me. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #197

just so you know - how a jury saw that comment Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #219

Thank you. It's always interesting who doesn't bother to justify their vote. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #225

I don't think it should be allowed passiveporcupine Apr 2014 #410

I was juror #5 etherealtruth Mar 2014 #231

I was the alerter. Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #237

Note that none of the "leave" votes explained sufrommich Mar 2014 #239

Maybe it isn't about you. RC Mar 2014 #383

Playing the victim card? No one did any such thing. cui bono Mar 2014 #380

to anybody reading RC's post, saying a rape victim played the "victim card" gets you banned from DU CreekDog Mar 2014 #392

thank Gawd EarlG "gets" it.. hlthe2b Mar 2014 #393

Not always. JTFrog Mar 2014 #401

i should have said "can" CreekDog Mar 2014 #402

It's none of your fucking business! Texasgal Mar 2014 #215

When it disrupts DU, it is everyone business. RC Mar 2014 #220

how was posting her real life Texasgal Mar 2014 #223

I'm not disrupting DU. I'm making a point about rape culture and consent using a personal experience LeftyMom Mar 2014 #224

It is the expected overall response to the OP, RC Mar 2014 #230

Asking her if she received counseling Texasgal Mar 2014 #238

How can an experience that happens to 25% of women BainsBane Mar 2014 #241

I do care. That is why I suggest getting help dealing with it. RC Mar 2014 #249

You said discussing a common crime BainsBane Mar 2014 #252

Nonsense. Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #295

That is not what I said. RC Mar 2014 #301

The problem is GP6971 Mar 2014 #351

THE ORIGINAL OP IS WHAT DISRUPTS DU Matariki Mar 2014 #253

No worse than the stuff the Group that can not be named, posts in GD. RC Mar 2014 #263

This message was self-deleted by its author CFLDem Mar 2014 #302

Really? Someone passively-aggressively harassing a poster about her past rape is fun to you? cui bono Mar 2014 #379

How did you come to that conclusion? CFLDem Mar 2014 #384

Easy. I followed the thread. What you proclaimed to be fun was another person cui bono Mar 2014 #390

This message was self-deleted by its author CFLDem Mar 2014 #391

That poster you were "having fun with" has engaged in an incredibly vicious and sick, prolonged Squinch Mar 2014 #400

This thread is not about having fun. cui bono Apr 2014 #405

I'm so happy that you're gone! Sheldon Cooper Apr 2014 #414

I am very sorry that RC said these things to you. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #403

Well you survived a jury. Rex Mar 2014 #7

That says as much about DU3 as it does about him. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #73

Agreed. n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #297

Oh yay, more Dworkin / radical feminist bashing. redqueen Mar 2014 #9

Thank you for this! Out of Time Man Mar 2014 #23

My pleasure! redqueen Mar 2014 #106

^^^THIS^^^^ Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2014 #41

"Any violation of a woman�s body can become sex for men." nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #51

Thank you for getting it. redqueen Mar 2014 #109

"Simply accepted the vilification of women like Catharine MacKinnon and Andrea Dworkin." yep. i felt seabeyond Mar 2014 #110

I'd like to give the OP the benefit of the doubt and just think they are ignorant but... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #75

exactly. how many would willingly keep a known lie in an OP and then cry innocence? exactly. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #78

Any self respecting person would self delete, post an apology to society and Learn from this. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #83

That "benefit of the doubt" thing? Zorra Mar 2014 #103

These particular lies are very popular. redqueen Mar 2014 #113

Thank you for this. Bookmarked for future reference. thucythucy Mar 2014 #275

Thank you. n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #298

Thank you for this. n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #328

How completely absurd BainsBane Mar 2014 #10

Ok...fine. Archae Mar 2014 #13

You know what? KitSileya Mar 2014 #14

Sorry you feel this way. mattclearing Apr 2014 #404

You'd better keep reading all the threads on it Warpy Mar 2014 #15

He gets it much better than the people that keep pushing the so-called rape culture mime around here RC Mar 2014 #145

Is there a broad view that it waan't really burglary because of the clothing worn? That the uppityperson Mar 2014 #28

But people tend not to make excuses for those crimes the way they all-too-frequently do nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #48

Was a burglary conviction ever overturned by a judge because the victims weren't upset enough? kcr Mar 2014 #68

because "they did not say no strongly enough" or were not injured enough in the crime? uppityperson Mar 2014 #198

You are taking every little thing and twisting it... davidn3600 Mar 2014 #38

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And a jury kept this 2-4. Amazing. alp227 Mar 2014 #11

You do realize that Jameis Winston wasn't convicted of anything right? mythology Mar 2014 #65

"indicate that the truth and due process don't matter." gotta look for the truth, have due process seabeyond Mar 2014 #66

Not really sure what Andrea Dworkin has to do with anything bluestateguy Mar 2014 #16

Rape Culture doesn't exist in the U.S.? Out of Time Man Mar 2014 #20

Didn't you hear about the NRA? Cleita Mar 2014 #21

Pretty sure one can be concerned with both. Out of Time Man Mar 2014 #26

The people who use casuistries to describe rape and murder, orpupilofnature57 Mar 2014 #47

Thank you! Out of Time Man Mar 2014 #52

There is no rape culture in this country. Rape does occur but it is and always Cleita Mar 2014 #276

You either are intentionally ignoring... Out of Time Man Mar 2014 #310

... pipoman Mar 2014 #24

*pops big kettle* nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #25

And in 1971, Susan Griffin wrote, "I have never been free of the fear of rape. Heidi Mar 2014 #27

I was walking to a friend's house in small town a few yrs go, past a vacant lot of which there are uppityperson Mar 2014 #31

And yet some equate fear of rape with fear of burglary, vandalism, or fraud. Heidi Mar 2014 #34

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and one that will never experience a lifetime of this, how easily it is for you to dismiss, without seabeyond Mar 2014 #60

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i read you words seabeyond Mar 2014 #62

Rape is our cross to bear, Heidi Mar 2014 #70

ya know. lol. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #72

have you mercuryblues Mar 2014 #117

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yes mercuryblues Mar 2014 #157

You seem very eager to discount women's experience and views suffragette Mar 2014 #160

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again, with your dismissals seabeyond Mar 2014 #67

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20 and you are calling me out personally, saying i am "obsessed" and i should not seabeyond Mar 2014 #79

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why do you feel the need to derail a conversation you have no interest in, you refuse to participate seabeyond Mar 2014 #82

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there is nothing in your post about challenging. there is only derailing. damn if you do not know seabeyond Mar 2014 #87

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ah. so you aer another newbie, that is merely longtime lurker ergo, knowing which women to go after seabeyond Mar 2014 #91

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and you had to register to come into these threads and put us in our place? well, gollygee. seabeyond Mar 2014 #98

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"and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT" /nt pintobean Mar 2014 #92

poke poke poke. never an actual discussion of the issues seabeyond Mar 2014 #95

Now, posting jury results is bad? pintobean Mar 2014 #96

pfft... right,. seabeyond Mar 2014 #99

Why listen to anyone on an internet forum? BainsBane Mar 2014 #218

+1000 RC Mar 2014 #173

the way you and the poster you respond readily dismiss womens concern and thoughts, i hold little seabeyond Mar 2014 #178

Dysfunctional ideas? BainsBane Mar 2014 #285

"What is dysfunctional is the profound disrespect for other human beings..." RC Mar 2014 #299

is this what you are doing, so often using your xgf experience and lashing out at hof? seabeyond Mar 2014 #307

No, it's because I can see the problems, the anger issues, the passive aggressive responses here. RC Mar 2014 #331

Yeah, you insinuating that "certain members" here are sufrommich Mar 2014 #332

I am insinuating nothing of the sort. RC Mar 2014 #335

no. no, i do not think that is it. i think this whole post here, is xgf story, shielding and seabeyond Mar 2014 #334

Nice try. RC Mar 2014 #337

i disagree. looking just like projection to me. you did line it out for us to clearly see you do seabeyond Mar 2014 #344

She didn't lash out BainsBane Mar 2014 #364

I'm going to ask you to stop lying about me and talking about me as if I couldn't read your posts. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #386

Again, I am not talking about you specifically. RC Mar 2014 #387

Once again, this was our first interaction on this thread: LeftyMom Mar 2014 #388

Have you ever asked the women you know? BainsBane Mar 2014 #222

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That isn't what you just said above BainsBane Mar 2014 #248

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and benny likes to kick around women, ya know. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #273

explain this. explain why it is funny. explain why anyone thought it up. explain how it is no seabeyond Mar 2014 #76

Holy Christ that's vile. Chan790 Apr 2014 #427

hey chan. i guess none of the guys defending this garbage could explain how this is funny. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #428

0 recommends. Red queens thread on rape culture hitting 70. You should be embarrassed seabeyond Mar 2014 #29

I am so sorry about your relative. I hope she is doing better today. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #30

Your info on dworkin is a lie. I do not know anyone that would keep a lie in an op seabeyond Mar 2014 #32

And you interpretation of rape culture is simply wrong. Better to educate yourself on the issue than seabeyond Mar 2014 #33

Sure it exists in the US Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #35

Ermahgerd!!!!! Tsiyu Mar 2014 #37

IKR!? Rex Mar 2014 #39

According to RAINN, there is no rape culture on college campuses davidn3600 Mar 2014 #42

According to my neighbor Tsiyu Mar 2014 #44

Bigfoot has a Camaro? I would have figured him for a pick-up truck kinda guy. nt tblue37 Apr 2014 #430

And why do you guys keep hammering away at this? What exactly do you hope to gain? nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #49

That is not what RAINN said... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #84

yes. i do not even bother. but, correct. that is not what rainn said. and MRA are using it, like seabeyond Mar 2014 #85

Link please? cui bono Mar 2014 #326

You are so totally wrong, especially about Stubenville Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #40

are you frelling serious? eShirl Mar 2014 #43

you are wrong. and so was dworkin. using an extreme example doesn't negate the fact cali Mar 2014 #45

Dworkin didn't say that. It is a misquote. nt tblue37 Apr 2014 #431

I've got a simple suggestion for you, Archae... MrScorpio Mar 2014 #46

agreed nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #308

What the hell does Dworkin have to do with anything? Seems like a complete non sequitur. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #50

I've had my own quibbles with some DUers statements about patriarchy and rape culture but... Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #54

There isn't? ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #57

In the first place, I doubt seriously that you have MineralMan Mar 2014 #64

Like a fish swimming in water would say "there is no water culture" because they've never KittyWampus Mar 2014 #71

Our view has evolved since the 80s marshall Mar 2014 #80

"Thorny Issue" my ass. PlainJane1 Apr 2014 #423

right. the hypocrisy of who we are, lacking conviction. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #426

RAINN accurately observes that accusing the innocent does nothing to bring the guilty to justice. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #90

"He agreed there are systemic issues" Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #93

Did I accurately quote from, and link to, the RAINN release? Yes, or no? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #100

Yes, you do link to it... It is your re-wording that is bullshit Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #101

Jury Baiting: you're doing it wrong. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #105

ahhh... The old 'gender traitor' accusation... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #118

Men voted for Romney by 54:46 ratio. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #127

And that was because of feminists? What a load of shit... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #130

Back it up? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #153

Yes... Stop dancing and back up your bullshit Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #164

men are fleeing the party = true. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #167

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #179

i thought you'd be happy CreekDog Mar 2014 #369

Wish I had a buck for every failed alert on me. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #370

well then why is MIRT removing those posters if the alerts are ridiculous CreekDog Mar 2014 #371

Perhaps because they are malicious intruders? Just a guess. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #372

"more MRA bullshit" +1000000. nt sufrommich Mar 2014 #128

Joe, I know this is off topic BainsBane Mar 2014 #269

Thanks... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #272

I think NOT speaking up for it is the biggest mistake any of us can make. seabeyond Mar 2014 #274

ahhhh. those bad ole feminist makes the men vote repug. lol. gotcha. made the repugs tell us to seabeyond Mar 2014 #102

The only men who vote republican because uppity feminists sufrommich Mar 2014 #125

+1 redqueen Mar 2014 #135

"Men tend to vote for Republicans in part because the collective guilt directed their way by redqueen Mar 2014 #134

Hmmm,where have we heard that argument sufrommich Mar 2014 #137

if us women would only shut up... is said on a progressive board... nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #139

I wonder which "part". Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #184

I hope the Admins are reading this thread. Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #210

+1. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #216

Out and out bullshit like that should get a pizza for being a misogynist... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #240

If it doesn't, we'll just have to assume the owners of this place are fine with it. Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #245

This so much. It makes me sick. nt sufrommich Mar 2014 #244

I agree - Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #318

The concept of rape culture is NOT an accusation against *men*, so it is not about tblue37 Apr 2014 #433

Is the below poster an attempt to address and combat rape culture? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #434

rainn also states actions we need to make addressing rape, one being a product of the rape culture seabeyond Mar 2014 #94

There's the problem. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #172

It'd be worth offending people, if; lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #333

"Rape Culture" tends to be nebulous...I think focusing on specific acts might bring msanthrope Mar 2014 #374

Agree with that. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #376

Are you seriously trying to invoke Dworkin to shut down rape culture discussions? Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #104

ha. true. lol. and i like. thanks gormy. NOW.... seabeyond Mar 2014 #107

I'd phrase it "the probability of someone smearing radical feminists / misquoting Andrea Dworkin" nt redqueen Mar 2014 #119

Well, yes, the same way calling someone a Nazi is used incorrectly. Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #122

Kinda. But I don't think anyone engages in smearing Nazis in order to ensure that Nazi ideology redqueen Mar 2014 #131

Okay, lets start with this... Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #138

especially considering until national internet outrage, the "boys" were not even charged, with video seabeyond Mar 2014 #140

I mean, not knowing one way or the other (and we don't, which is why I called BS) Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #143

"Apathy is a big part of rape culture." point. so fuggin' on. and does not make people bad people seabeyond Mar 2014 #146

ignorance of your kind very much feeds it Skittles Mar 2014 #150

Some of these replies makes me sick to my stomach. Rex Mar 2014 #176

it is all in the ego.... or preferences. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #180

And some are MRA who know just what sufrommich Mar 2014 #186

It is unbelievable, I have to admit I did not notice the systematic bashing of women on DU1 or DU2. Rex Mar 2014 #358

the posts were deleted. not here. there were rules, no sexism. not now. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #361

Yes that must be it, no mod/admin deletes anymore. Rex Mar 2014 #362

Want to hear a good example of rape culture Arcanetrance Mar 2014 #189

Thank you for stating that and not taking sufrommich Mar 2014 #200

I can't take it personally they don't know me Arcanetrance Mar 2014 #208

you are right on dude. as always. and you said it from a different angle. maybe it will help. seabeyond Mar 2014 #209

Thank you for recognizing the dynamic, and sharing what you have noticed Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #319

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How incredibly offensive! Texasgal Mar 2014 #214

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FLAMEBAIT Matariki Mar 2014 #242

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Enjoy your stay Mr. 2-Posts Matariki Mar 2014 #254

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Lots of "newbies" in this thread. I hope MIRT sufrommich Mar 2014 #258

Now *there's* an appropriate use of scare-quotes Matariki Mar 2014 #262

I wonder who we have pintobean Mar 2014 #265

Whoever it was didn't pass the smell test. sufrommich Mar 2014 #267

"troll, sockpuppet or zombie" pintobean Mar 2014 #270

Bless your heart! etherealtruth Mar 2014 #260

You misunderstand what the term "rape culture" actually means. tblue37 Mar 2014 #255

She was a very sick, H2O Man Mar 2014 #278

You post bullshit from almost 30 years ago to try and prove rape culture does not exist? Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #282

I do hope that you're referring to Dworkin and not what happened to Archae's relative.....nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #303

Yes - nt Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #309

Rape has always been considered a criminal act in this country. Cleita Mar 2014 #294

That IS true, although..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #306

Yeah CFLDem Mar 2014 #315

Threads like this show my how blind people can be. I used to think it was just internet communicatio uppityperson Mar 2014 #296

Well..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #300

I remember hearing that. RandySF Mar 2014 #305

Does rape culture really exist? CFLDem Mar 2014 #313

wont they continue to buy into it, if people never discuss it to educate otherwise? seabeyond Mar 2014 #314

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what a pathetically weak way to walk thru life. say nothing. have no conviction cause meh.... seabeyond Mar 2014 #320

Why did you start your OP with Andrea Dworkin? cui bono Mar 2014 #322

One nice thing about this thread - Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #330

only one of the names on that list surprised me. the rest--as expected. niyad Apr 2014 #413

I actually did a quick review of each of them, Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #416

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On days like this, I miss UnRec...and wish DU allowed for flat out Jamastiene Mar 2014 #342

+1. hear ya. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #345

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Yeah, say that after you've been raped, Jamastiene Mar 2014 #353

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Enjoy your stay! Rex Mar 2014 #355

Man,you sure made it back here quickly. nt sufrommich Mar 2014 #357

... ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #360

Dworkin is not relevant. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #359

I can't believe you haven't self deleted this mess... cyberswede Mar 2014 #363

Not all feminists are Dworkin DonCoquixote Mar 2014 #373

Is she the author of the 50 Shades series? Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #375

Oh snap. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #377

Odd. Still no correction to the incorrect OP. Why? cui bono Mar 2014 #378

no. no correction. but he did start another thread to admit it is a lie and now is working at dissin seabeyond Mar 2014 #389

So you gonna fix the obvious distortion in your OP or just leave it? Rex Apr 2014 #412

Many of the conversations in this thread are clear illustrations of rape culture. Squinch Apr 2014 #425