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In reply to the discussion: CIA TORTURE: It Was Worse Than Anyone Knew [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)5. Report: CIA deceived on torture
Report: CIA deceived on torture
By Steve Benen
The public has waited quite a while for the 6,300-page report from the Senate Intelligence Committee on U.S. torture policies during the Bush/Cheney era. The comprehensive investigation, completed over several years, is complete, but it remains classified...the Washington Post published a report overnight on the reports findings, based on descriptions from current and former U.S. officials whove seen it, and it will apparently be a brutal indictment of what the Bush/Cheney administration did in our name.
Reading the Posts report, it becomes clear that were talking about two main areas of profound wrongdoing. The first, of course, is the torture and abusive tactics themselves, which were illegal and violate every sensible norm on how detainees should be treated. The article even referenced instances in which prisoners were abused after analysts were convinced they had no additional information to share...The second is the allegation that the Central Intelligence Agency deliberately deceived everyone about its own policies which didnt even produce the intended results.
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Kevin Drums response to the article rings true: So the torture was even worse than we thought; it produced very little in the way of actionable intelligence; and the CIA lied about this in order to preserve their ability to torture prisoners. Anybody who isnt sickened by this needs to take very long, very deep look into their souls.
The report is clearly a document that will reignite debate, but whether it will be subjected to public scrutiny remains unclear. The Intelligence Committee will reportedly vote later this week on sending an executive summary roughly 400 pages long to President Obama for declassification.
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http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/report-cia-deceived-torture
By Steve Benen
The public has waited quite a while for the 6,300-page report from the Senate Intelligence Committee on U.S. torture policies during the Bush/Cheney era. The comprehensive investigation, completed over several years, is complete, but it remains classified...the Washington Post published a report overnight on the reports findings, based on descriptions from current and former U.S. officials whove seen it, and it will apparently be a brutal indictment of what the Bush/Cheney administration did in our name.
A report by the Senate Intelligence Committee concludes that the CIA misled the government and the public about aspects of its brutal interrogation program for years concealing details about the severity of its methods, overstating the significance of plots and prisoners, and taking credit for critical pieces of intelligence that detainees had in fact surrendered before they were subjected to harsh techniques.
The report, built around detailed chronologies of dozens of CIA detainees, documents a long-standing pattern of unsubstantiated claims as agency officials sought permission to use and later tried to defend excruciating interrogation methods that yielded little, if any, significant intelligence, according to U.S. officials who have reviewed the document.
Reading the Posts report, it becomes clear that were talking about two main areas of profound wrongdoing. The first, of course, is the torture and abusive tactics themselves, which were illegal and violate every sensible norm on how detainees should be treated. The article even referenced instances in which prisoners were abused after analysts were convinced they had no additional information to share...The second is the allegation that the Central Intelligence Agency deliberately deceived everyone about its own policies which didnt even produce the intended results.
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It gets worse:
Classified files reviewed by committee investigators reveal internal divisions over the interrogation program, officials said, including one case in which CIA employees left the agencys secret prison in Thailand after becoming disturbed by the brutal measures being employed there. The report also cites cases in which officials at CIA headquarters demanded the continued use of harsh interrogation techniques even after analysts were convinced that prisoners had no more information to give.
The report describes previously undisclosed cases of abuse, including the alleged repeated dunking of a terrorism suspect in tanks of ice water at a detention site in Afghanistan a method that bore similarities to waterboarding but never appeared on any Justice Department-approved list of techniques.
Kevin Drums response to the article rings true: So the torture was even worse than we thought; it produced very little in the way of actionable intelligence; and the CIA lied about this in order to preserve their ability to torture prisoners. Anybody who isnt sickened by this needs to take very long, very deep look into their souls.
The report is clearly a document that will reignite debate, but whether it will be subjected to public scrutiny remains unclear. The Intelligence Committee will reportedly vote later this week on sending an executive summary roughly 400 pages long to President Obama for declassification.
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http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/report-cia-deceived-torture
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In my view, prosecuting torture is looking forward. We're all looking forward to it!
grahamhgreen
Apr 2014
#32
Dont you know the rules? You cant ask them if they are for or against any issue. nm
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#85
The link has been provided ... I'm hoping you have an actual retort beyond that ...
brett_jv
Apr 2014
#74
It's time for you to say, "I'm against torture", then we can work as a team to eradicate it:-)
grahamhgreen
Apr 2014
#86
Obama is complicit in that his Justice Department has not punished anyone for torturing
JDPriestly
Apr 2014
#24
Anybody who isn’t sickened by this needs to take very long, very deep look into their souls.”
Bandit
Apr 2014
#9
"Torture should always be prosecuted. Not prosecuting makes one complicit in the torture, right?"
woo me with science
Apr 2014
#8
Looking forward is an ethical travesty, a sham, and a mockery. It's a Travisshamockery!
TheKentuckian
Apr 2014
#12
Nah, let's just preach to other countries about morals while we have torture camps
Corruption Inc
Apr 2014
#13
"CHEENEE knew." Shrub, Rums, all knew. CIA didn't "deceive" anybody, was carrying out policy
UTUSN
Apr 2014
#51
It's sickening to me to know that my country now tortures like it's the norm.
Lint Head
Apr 2014
#15
Torture is a stain on the American fabric that can only be cleansed by prosecuting the torturers.
Scuba
Apr 2014
#17
The longer that fuck is allowed to roam free is the less repercussions he faces.
2banon
Apr 2014
#67
Making a good start on health care for all is really an achievement, and the President
amandabeech
Apr 2014
#45
Never forget that Condesleeza gave the go ahead for this human rights violation.
Dawson Leery
Apr 2014
#53