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105. It's simple math as long as you don't know anything about statistics.

Tue Apr 1, 2014, 08:31 PM

Apr 2014

You can't say that because 85% of liberal Democrats approve of him, 15% disapprove. Just as you cannot say that because 60% of conservative Democrats approve of him, 40% disapprove.

As I said before, you cannot realign the statistics to answer questions that were never asked. Gallup provides an overall disapproval rating (and you will notice it isn't the inverse of his approval ratings) but does not break it down according to demographics.

If this were a statistics exam and the prompt stated "85% of liberal Democrats approve of President Obama's job" and the question was "What is the percentage that disapproves?" and, with no other information, you respond with "15%," you would be marked wrong.

Now, I don't know about the two of you, but I don't manufacture evidence because it suits my argument.

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Obama's approval rating among liberal dems is 85%, but among conservative dems it's only 60% [View all] Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 OP

Nice to keep it in perspective. treestar Mar 2014 #1

I'm fresh out of those. lonestarnot Apr 2014 #114

Or more liberal members are more loyal when polled by outsiders. polichick Mar 2014 #2

The statistical analysis suggests people who dont like Obama... Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #16

No, it definitely doesn't. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #25

The numbers do suggest that those who disapprove of Obama tend to be more conservative Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #30

What's amusing is your apparent inability to understand how statistics work... Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #35

The anger is palpable. Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #37

Yes, anger is a human emotion often expressed at the incessant daftness of others. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #45

Snort. That was not a good use of your time ma'am/sir. lonestarnot Apr 2014 #115

You're telling me LordGlenconner Apr 2014 #92

The poll specifically says "approve" and "disapprove". CJCRANE Apr 2014 #75

It gives a general disapproval rating. It does not say how many liberal Democrats disapprove. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #107

You fell for it again. lonestarnot Apr 2014 #117

Actually, yes it does. It's pretty simple math. DanTex Apr 2014 #101

It's simple math as long as you don't know anything about statistics. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #105

LOL. And I thought that the anti-Obama idiocy couldn't get any worse. DanTex Apr 2014 #111

You still don't get it, do you? I hate it when people make up statistics to suit their argument. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #112

Oh, I get it. Unlike you, I am actually capable of addition and subtraction. DanTex Apr 2014 #113

Show me where in that Gallup poll it states 15% of liberal Dems and 40% of conservative Dems... Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #116

This is where you need to use those arithmetic skills. DanTex Apr 2014 #119

AAAAAAAH. Okay let me try this one more time... Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #121

Except that disapproval was polled. And only 4% of the general population 100-(45+51) answered DanTex Apr 2014 #123

And, as I have already stated, no demographic information was given for the disapproval rating. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #124

And given that the "neither" category is miniscule, it is totally implausible that a full 25% DanTex Apr 2014 #125

No, around and around you go in your little noggin. All flustered because you don't fucking get it. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #128

Umm, no, I completely get it. Given that there are only 4% in the "neither" category... DanTex Apr 2014 #129

There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that "those who dislike Obama tend to be more conservative." yardwork Apr 2014 #106

And that would be fine if the OP said he or she had anecdotal evidence. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #110

My point is that liberal Dems are loyal to the party when polled by outsiders... polichick Apr 2014 #58

I wonder why post #35 (explanation of poll results) isn't being applied to your post? Sheepshank Apr 2014 #66

Well, depending on how you ask a question, you can get... polichick Apr 2014 #73

But I don't see that type of question having been asked in the poll Sheepshank Apr 2014 #82

What type of question? polichick Apr 2014 #83

And we vote Democratic. And we vote in every election and primary. And we encourage others yardwork Apr 2014 #108

Most people know who to blame Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #109

The lying to the pollsters argument is ridiculous treestar Apr 2014 #118

it's always been this way JI7 Mar 2014 #3

Of course they are RobertEarl Mar 2014 #4

As Johnny Ringo's now famous post shows, Reagan Democrats are the base of the party Fumesucker Mar 2014 #6

You are cracking me up!! RobertEarl Mar 2014 #9

I've lost much of my interest in politics, the only thing keeping me here now is DU is hilarious Fumesucker Mar 2014 #14

So DU only represents DU jazzimov Mar 2014 #5

I know right....this must be a paradigm shift for some on DU! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #28

That's been known for a long while now. Whisp Apr 2014 #97

Appears to me the liberal Dems have the President's back and the conservatives don't. Scuba Mar 2014 #7

Exactly, but libs are the bad guys. Makes me want to have nothing to do... polichick Apr 2014 #86

Liberal Democrats are a bit more loyal. kenfrequed Apr 2014 #100

I cannot disagree with anything you wrote here. Scuba Apr 2014 #102

Well... kenfrequed Apr 2014 #103

Weird BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #8

even more wierd..... Sheepshank Apr 2014 #69

It's either a sampling error BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #70

that's how i know many of the attacks on him are right wing trolls JI7 Mar 2014 #10

Correct Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #12

RW trolls on DU? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #13

LOL, nice try! nt Logical Apr 2014 #21

Yeah, I'm sure some rw trolls are sneaking in for now.. but the profiteering Cha Apr 2014 #24

So true Cha! So true.... nt sheshe2 Apr 2014 #33

Here's to the Cha Apr 2014 #36

The Obama ~ sheshe2 Apr 2014 #43

An integral part of that Revolution, she.. Cha Apr 2014 #46

Wolves in Sheep's Clothing.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #29

Interesting Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #65

Pots calling kettles black... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #78

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2014 #59

But he's supposedly so "right-wing" himself Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2014 #11

What the hell is he doing that anyone that calls themselves a Democrat that is too liberal for them? TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #17

I think the definition of "liberal" has changed dramatically Art_from_Ark Apr 2014 #27

Indeed Puzzledtraveller Apr 2014 #71

Plausibly, which means my response to this is "You've stated the labels, now show me the agenda" TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #120

We'll add this to the list of 49,087,258 ways that stuff that is accepted as DU Gospel Number23 Mar 2014 #15

So true, at least not where I come from. nt sheshe2 Apr 2014 #19

Shhhh, haters don't like Cha Mar 2014 #18

Kick! sheshe2 Apr 2014 #20

But they're not "real" liberals, or not "good enough" liberals, or stuff. /sarcasm eom tarheelsunc Apr 2014 #22

That's because those that self-identify... Bonobo Apr 2014 #23

Moderate democrats = ? CJCRANE Apr 2014 #72

Do you think most DUers are liberal? polichick Apr 2014 #93

I don't know. It's an anonymous message board CJCRANE Apr 2014 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Apr 2014 #96

Which explains why conservative dems yowl so long and hard... Scootaloo Apr 2014 #26

"conservative dems yowl so long and hard... Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #32

"The rest of" them.. Just like to Cha Apr 2014 #38

Yup, that's us, whiny liberals, always wanting stuff. Scootaloo Apr 2014 #41

Link to what? Scootaloo Apr 2014 #40

Those links still don't support your assertion that... Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #42

Okay. Scootaloo Apr 2014 #47

Conservative dems are always running away from Pres Obama but don't Cha Apr 2014 #57

Well now we know they have officially jumped the shark... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #31

"We had to hold his feet to the fire, we did! He asked us to!" sheshe2 Apr 2014 #34

I'll tell ya the ones who won't be patting themselves on the back, she.. Cha Apr 2014 #44

They did indeed! sheshe2 Apr 2014 #48

That's what they do.. Cha Apr 2014 #49

They will swear there was no President Obama bashing...."just a few mildly disgruntled folks VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #53

they already are saying.. it's between "idolizing" and "confronted".. vile ugly names from Cha Apr 2014 #54

Don't forget the feet to the fire. sheshe2 Apr 2014 #55

Yes and they LOOOOVE to take credit for things nonsensically.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #56

Oh they will say how we are not "remembering it right at all"! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #52

Damn Skippy they LOST....Big TIME! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #51

I Told You !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #39

Cheers to us! Cha Apr 2014 #50

What is the criteria for the phrase "liberal dems"...?? truebrit71 Apr 2014 #60

All political polls are done using self-identification. Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #61

I see...100% of Liberal Dems I know don't have approval numbers remotely that high... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #64

The same phenomenon that characterizes differences among conservatives Puzzledtraveller Apr 2014 #74

No such measurement existed when Bill Clinton was President Larry the Cable Dude Apr 2014 #62

That's not the point of the post Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #63

From "Self identifying" liberal dems... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #67

So you don't trust the poll (which is a standard poll) CJCRANE Apr 2014 #76

No, I trust self-identifying liberal dems in my social/political circle truebrit71 Apr 2014 #79

Fair enough CJCRANE Apr 2014 #85

And ALSO using self dentifiers Sheepshank Apr 2014 #81

+1 Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #88

Possibly because the conserva-dems are more in-line with his policies... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #99

To me it looks like more liberal Democrats want more badly the Democratic Party to win. Cal33 Apr 2014 #68

I keep telling folks that DU is not representative of anything IRL. Remember, this is the joint.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #77

To be fair Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #80

No matter how he "lost it", the result is the same. We don't do "nuance" here. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #84

This thread is proof of that Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #87

. Rex Apr 2014 #91

Al Gore won the popular vote nationwide and didn't win in his own home state Fumesucker Apr 2014 #98

If we can get those Dems out to vote at midterms no way we can lose LynneSin Apr 2014 #89

your title is a hoot.... while sittin' on du. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #90

Rec for the full thread Sheepshank Apr 2014 #94

Self-identified, indeed. Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #122

LOL.. oh the humanity! Cha Apr 2014 #126

DU has been HILARIOUS all day today. You can tell the president is doing right by his constituents Number23 Apr 2014 #131

I haven't read the poll numbers; but .. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #104

translation DonCoquixote Apr 2014 #127

And Bernie Sanders!!!!!!! djean111 Apr 2014 #130